I'm terrified that this outbreak is giving us a taste of the ecofascism that we're in for with the climate crisis, because now authors like this one can just outright say the quiet part loud.
It's incredibly frightening.
Time to Ban Wet Markets
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#92It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…
China is not only place where these viruses appear. The swine flu appeared in North America, some kinds of flu appeared in other places like the Middle East. The only thing special about China is that it has a lot of people, so there is a higher probability of human-virus contact.
It's true that these viruses have arisen in other places. But it is not true that there is nothing special about China. Chinese wet markets are uniquely susceptible to the generation of these sorts of pathogens, for reasons that are explained all over in the comments of this thread, and in the original article.
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#93Totally asinine to deplore the wet markets and not the horrors of what we're doing to other sentient species.
This sounds very anti-indigenous. There is nothing wrong with hunting.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…
The CCP aggressively fought the virus, giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.
They did, but they also wasted a lot of time in January, allowing the virus to travel the world. But as you mentioned, other nations made similar mistakes, and they had the benefit of being warned.
However, when it comes to the question of responsibility for preventing a third SARS outbreak originating from China, the answer lies with the CCP.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Chinese Government is an authoritarian regime. Agree that it's terrible, but of course they won't apologize for anything.
This comment is frankly lacking substance. Generally accepted, binary thinking like this is exactly the kind HN is best without.
Is any of the parents statement in doubt?
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#96It's not actually known yet what the source of Covid19 is. There's some evidence it may have originated in the US, partly confirmed by the CDC https://twitter.com/BlackHammerOrg/status/124032448907179212... In addition, factory farming is arguably worse than wet markets, with plenty of diseases originating from it so far.
That is a lie and you really should stop trying to repeat it. There is no evidence at all that this virus originated in the US and a metric shit-ton of evidence that it comes from Wuhan. Given your comment history as an apologist for the CCP I am not surprised by the lie, but I still feel compelled to call it out.
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#97I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…
(6) is a direct response to the White House's continued use of 'Wuhan virus', 'Kung Flu' and other racist/shitty deflection garbage. I'm not defending it, but it isn't happening in a vacuum.
"Wuhan virus", "Chinese virus" are not racist terms. "Kung Flu" is people making funny a serious thing because "Kung Fu" "Kung Flu". I would not level any of that up to racism.
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#98The best argument I heard against this was - if you ban them, you just drive them underground. Where there can (by definition) be no regulation.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…
The CCP aggressively fought the virus, giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.
The CCP silenced the doctors who tried to sound the alarm and made numerous missteps. They should be held accountable.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-it-all-started-chinas-early...
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…
The CCP aggressively fought the virus, giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.
>giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.
If that's anything to go by, we're fucked when it comes to climate change.