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Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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I agree with the general aims of the article, but I doubt that the demand that the author makes - that China closes its wet markets - will be practically doable. With a billion people that have no reason to trust their government, it's going to be hard to convince them to drop what they and their families had learned with blood during the Mao-era famines.

China's leadership can relocate half a million people when they want to build a dam. They will be able to crack down on wet markets. The current pandemic should be the last one happening in a non-war setting. I can write this here from home in Europe and it will end up on a disk somewhere in the US within 13ms, we should be able to prevent man-made pandemics.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#13
I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for

1.) keeping wet market open

2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic

3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan

4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture

5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world

6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t even originate in China (from japan or Italy). Also tried to float the idea that US planted the virus in Wuhan.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market of butchers/fishmongers/etc. that five-star restaurants source from all over the world?

This article seems to be doing a motte-and-bailey of grossing you out with things that are just “regular meat wholesaler things” (e.g. fresh meat sitting out on ice without refrigeration) and then moralizing about the specific kinds of meats available in certain markets in China.

As far as I can tell, the author really just wants to tell Chinese people to stop eating certain meats (pragmatically, bush meats; but also, less pragmatically, whatever a Westerner would find gauche, like endangered species or things we’d consider pets), but doesn’t want to come out and say what they really mean; and so instead tries to seem like they’re making a point about sanitation. In so doing, they end up arguing against the existence of wholesale meat markets in general, which is clearly silly: meat wholesaling happens all over the world every day and is perfectly sanitary, despite seeming to a layman like it’d be unsanitary. (It is unsanitary in some ways, but in general principle—which can certainly be violated, like any other standard can—it’s always exactly as sanitary as it needs to be for any given use-case. Meats that are cooked get treated with less care; meats that are served raw are treated with more.)

This sort of reminds me of the parable of the new owner who came into a bakery and demanded it be cleaned because everything was greasy. The bakers kindly informed them that the grease was intentionally put on every surface, right after cleaning; and that, in fact, grease is used to clean some surfaces. Some systems function perfectly well in ways that seem disturbing to outsiders. If the bakers have been greasing the bakery for thousands of years, and you’ve never gotten sick from a loaf of bread, then maybe think a moment before telling the bakers to stop greasing the bakery.

Certainly, if you buy a loaf of bread and it turns out to have a bunch of thumbtacks in it, there’s a problem. But not one, I would suspect, endemic to the concept of bakeries.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#16

I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…

The Chinese Government is an authoritarian regime. Agree that it's terrible, but of course they won't apologize for anything.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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post #15

So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market of butchers/fishmongers/etc. that five-star restaurants source from all over the world? This article seems to be doing a motte-and-bailey of grossing you out with things that are just “regular meat wholesaler things” (e.g. fresh meat sitting out on ice without refrigeration) and then moralizing about the specific kinds of meats…

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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Or just stop eating meat altogether. There are diseases and potent antibiotic resistant bugs brewing in our factory farms in the west too. None of this is necessary for human health or nutrition.

That's simply not true. My life has drastically improved since I reduced carbs and increased meat consumption.

This is not anecdata either, there are well done studies supporting this.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#19

I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…

Got any info on point 6? Did they really start that rumor?

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#20

I agree with the general aims of the article, but I doubt that the demand that the author makes - that China closes its wet markets - will be practically doable. With a billion people that have no reason to trust their government, it's going to be hard to convince them to drop what they and their families had learned with blood during the Mao-era famines.

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