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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by ogre_codes »

askafriend wrote: post #451
qubex wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

It's clear no one here knows any 3D artist, illustrators, graphic designers, UI/UX designers, photographers, videographers, musicians, etc Because if they did, they wouldn't make some of the silly comments I've seen here.

> 3D artist, illustrators, graphic designers, UI/UX designers, photographers, videographers, musicians,

Lots of use cases in many of these professions. In particular, there are a lot of professional artists/ illustrators have switched to the iPad. I also know there is an active community of iPad accessories and software for musicians.

Also, while many of the above mentioned professionals can't move their entire workflow to the iPad, quite of few of them have already moved big portions of their workflows to the iPad.

This isn't a zero sum game. For a lot of professionals there is room in their toolbox for multiple computers.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by ogre_codes »

elorant wrote: post #447
qubex wrote: post #438

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Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

Tiny, but very influential with deep pockets. Apple wouldn't be where it is today on their laptop business if developers haven't adopted en masse their macbooks.

> Tiny, but very influential with deep pockets.

While this is true, it doesn't follow that every product they produce should serve developers first and foremost. The Mac is the computer I use for development. The iPad is the computer I prefer to use for photo editing/ sketching/ house planning/ and casual use. If I wasn't a developer professionally, I suspect the iPad would be my "Big" computer.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by gerardnll »

What do you guys do with an iPad? I cannot barely imagine working with it. I just see it useful for emails, web surfing and not much more... It's a very expensive device, I don't see any justified use. You can get a macbook air for less and have a full blown Photoshop, IDEs, Word...

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by frosted-flakes »

endorphone wrote: post #315
Someone1234 wrote: post #227

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With the new keyboard attachment the front camera isn't even at the top of the iPad, it is on the left/right edges. That's a large oversight. As to video conferencing, it depends on what you're doing. If you're presenting a meeting and are being projected onto a conference room's TV/projector, the quality matters.

It clearly isn't an oversight . When people hold their pad they predominately use it in portrait mode. When people use it with a keyboard, they want it in landscape mode. This is pretty universal. And, guessing, I would imagine people use this sans keyboard >95% of the time. So they gear it for that. Or should they put two cameras on it? I highly doubt Apple was oblivious to this, but there are always compromises. As…

Put it on the corner maybe?

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by ellis0n »

LordOfWolves wrote: post #518

Like other commenters, I will never buy another iPad unless it comes preloaded with a desktop-like operating system (like macOS) versus iOS. One would think Apple has explored doing this - putting OSX/macOS on an iPad - given that Microsoft put Windows on the Surface and gained market share as a result. Why they haven't released any consumer/commercial iPads with a desktop-like operating system, an OS whose first ver…

Apple is working on a common core for iPadOS and OSX that's should be a way, but a memory limit is important for performance for your browser tabs. I'm waiting for iPad Pro with a minimum 16G RAM.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by derefr »

danShumway wrote: post #545
xvector wrote: post #499

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> They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe? It's questionable) It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. You can look at how many millions of Android users are constantly infected because it turns out that most people have zero concept of when to trust a third party or not. Either way Apple does let you run your own apps if you jump…

> It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. It's pretty questionable. The most obvious reason iOS has better security than Android is because iOS has far better sandboxing than Android. I don't necessarily dismiss claims that moderation reduces malware, but I am at least skeptical of those claims. I haven't seen compelling statistics that moderation on the…

You see sand boxing and app stores as two different things, but they’re not—the iOS security model relies on this sequence of steps:

1. The application developer creates a manifest that lists the privileges the app wants, and includes it as part of the code-signing request;

2. Apple’s App Store review team audits the application more thoroughly according to the privileges it has claimed;

3. Apple only code-signs the app bundle if the app stays on the strait-and-narrow;

4. The OS (through Gatekeeper) enforces the content of a code-signed app bundle, and therefore makes any included capability manifest immutable (in the sense that, if you change it, Gatekeeper considers the app considered and won’t start it);

5. The OS (through the capabilities system) enforces the restrictions from any included capabilities manifest on any high-level framework calls.

Note that there’s no actual linkage going on between code-signing and the capabilities manifest, in a way you’d expect from e.g. a Docker image. There’s no real “application sandbox” here. There’s just an Apple signature on the app bundle, telling you Apple saw this app as-is and approved it; and then, separately, an entirely optional opt-in capabilities system for which an app can claim any capabilities it wants.

If you take Apple out of the picture as a central signer, then 1. apps could claim any capabilities they liked, and nobody could tell them different (this is more like Android, where installing something presents you with a list of the capabilities it claims); but more importantly, 2. apps wouldn’t even need to use the capability system at all. Like I said, it’s opt-in; regular binaries run on macOS (and iOS!) just fine without living in an app-bundle with a paired capabilities manifest.

So, the whole security model of iOS (and macOS under Gatekeeper strict mode) comes down to “Apple verifies that apps are doing the right thing at some point.” Without that, there’s pretty much no sandboxing on either OS beyond what little you get from BSD user privileges and Mach port ACLs.

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Post by yakkers »

I’m a bit disappointed in the new iPad Pro, since it seems to be just as thin as the previous.

As someone who had nothing but trouble with the 2018 model because of this, it’s disappointing to see that Apple’s trend of reducing thinness for things such as better battery life (iPhone 11 (Pro)) or better thermals (MacBook Pro 16”) didn’t carry over to the iPad Pro, which arguably suffered the most from its thinness.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by mixmastamyk »

qubex wrote: post #438
nextos wrote: post #430

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Me neither. The hardware they offer is absolutely fantastic. And some of the software (from e.g. Panic or OmniGroup). But even running a decent terminal requires purchasing an app and setting up mosh on the other side. There's no Esc in their keyboards. There are too many roadblocks and glitches. I wish I could buy an iPad and simply open a terminal and ssh to my machine of choice. Right now, it's much easier to buy…

Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

Simple things should be easy, hard things possible. That's the essence of good design.

Not, prevention of minority use cases.

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Post by Maxious »

jkestner wrote: post #129
Yabood wrote: post #9

The Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro will be available for purchase in May for $299 (US) for the 11-inch iPad Pro and $349 (US) for the 12.9-inch iPad Pro Wow. This must be one hell of a keyboard..

A keyboard, a trackpad, and a display stand. These are not three different devices!

I've heard of display stands worth up to $1,000 - what a deal!

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lastres0rt wrote: post #492
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

I'm an illustrator, and "Procreate" is the killer app for me. If you're not calling that "real work" I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Eventually you need to save and share your files. It would be nice to not have to do that in the cloud, with corporate gate-keepers in the way.
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