New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support • Hacker News Board

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by wdr1 » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 7:54 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #422

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

> This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans).

Quite simply, a lot of the software I want/need is only on iOS. And while, yes, it's more expensive, the cost difference is a drop in the bucket.

If I was still a starving college student, I'd care. But as a professional, I care more about time than saving literally penny I can.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by lelf » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 7:57 PM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #432

sirn wrote: post #159

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Cmd + . actually acts as Escape key on iPadOS. It’s not a replacement for a physical escape key, but I don’t find it too hard to adopt.

What about on MacOS? The trackbar escape key is super flaky...

Ctrl + [

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by unethical_ban » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 7:58 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #422

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

And here I am, a Lenovo and Linux fan, thinking this is amazing and they've finally got the tablet to be a computer.

iPads don't run iOS. ipadOS has changed quite a bit from iOS - they are not the same thing.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by IAmEveryone » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 7:59 PM UTC

cptskippy wrote: post #456

qubex wrote: post #436

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I’d wager that much of your incredulity regarding the suitability of iPads to doing “real work” hinges very sensitively upon what your conception of “real work” is, and that your judgement of utility follows suit. I’ve been using a succession of iPads as my main computing platforms since the first iteration was released ten years ago . Initial releases were a bit of a compromise, but the arrival of multitasking, mult…

It seems like they're slowly implementing paradigm safe versions of features from Desktop OSes into iPadOS in order to gradually bleed off the MacOS userbase since locking MacOS down to the App Store paradigm didn't pan out.

I like how you've seamlessly switched from the decade-old conspiracy theory that has become untenable to this legend where it "didn't pan out". (Just barely, and probably thanks to opposition in the far corners of the internet)

The alternative explanation, which has far fewer moving parts and doesn't require an assumption of bad faith, is that the Mac App Store was obvious after the iOS Store success, and so was a major push in security/sandboxing beyond chmod -R 600.

It's five years since SIP was introduced, and none of the dire predictions were correct. The mechanism to disable it has not changed even incrementally. But almost no one bothers to disable it because it doesn't actually stop you from doing anything, while it does seem to be effective at stopping malware.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by simonh » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 8:00 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #422

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

Office and OneDrive work really well. The new files system is pretty functional and getting better. There’s a decent ecosystem of utility apps now. Pushbullet is pretty handy for example. For scripting Pythonista is awesome, and together with Working Copy has a decent Git work flow.

It really depends what your work is. My iPad is my main mobile computer. I do have a desktop, but use the iPad heavily. At work at various meetings there are regularly 2 to 5 of use taking notes or referring to material on iPads. Some with pencils, others with keyboard cases.

Of course it’s not right for everyone, it just needs to be really good at the things it’s good for. That’s all. If a laptop or Surface works better for you that’s cool.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by dunnevens » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 8:00 PM UTC

jkestner wrote: post #138

saagarjha wrote: post #122

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You can use any Bluetooth keyboard with it.

And I’ll bet my Bluetooth trackpad works with this now too.

It probably does. I have a $20 no-name Bluetooth KB + Trackpad. It works perfectly with the current iPadOS.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by bakakid » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 8:02 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #422

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

As an illustrator, the workflow on the iPad Pro using a tool like Procreate is amazingly simple, quick and portable. Compared to something like my old com tablet, I am much more likely to grab the iPad and pencil and draw, then go to my studio where my computer is setup and draw.

Even the difference between wacom/graphics tablet and iPad with the pencil is almost night and day, no lag or parallax on the iPads is a huge draw card.

For an illustrator, the iPad is a perfect (digital) tool.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by mark_l_watson » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 8:04 PM UTC

rapind wrote: post #463

blihp wrote: post #449

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It's not nonsense, it's just different use cases. For office productivity applications, of course the majority of users will be just fine. For many technical people, 'real' work tends to mean heavy compute and/or I/O workloads which most laptops don't do well with let alone mobile devices.

A proper shell I can ssh with is really all I would need to do my real programming tasks. So even technical work could be broken down further. I wouldn't use an iPad for this though. The shell's are all a compromise and I'm waiting for a great e-ink display so I can remote from a park / beach / patio.

I have relied on my small iPad Pro with the older Prompt SSH app for occasional light programming while traveling. For more regular SSHing, a laptop or Chromebook is better. That said, I love my iPad Pro and I admit a positive bias that may not face honest analysis.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by donkeydoug » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 8:06 PM UTC

martythemaniak wrote: post #42

SwiftyBug wrote: post #27

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Why on Earth would you want that?

I was looking for this right now, actually. I want to remodel my house. I want to take my device, scan everything, then put replace parts - new vanity in bathroom, try different paints in different rooms, new lighting etc. After each change, I want to put on my VR device and walk around. Finally, I want to send the changes I choose to a contractor.

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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by skrowl » Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 8:11 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #422

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

You're correct. The target demo for iPad Pro is (and has really always been) only for Apple superfans.

You can get something like an Asus Zenbook 13 for hundreds less, which has a real i7 CPU, supports much more software, has a dedicated GPU, etc. while weighing about the same and having about the same battery life.