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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by elorant »

qubex wrote: post #464
elorant wrote: post #447

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Tiny, but very influential with deep pockets. Apple wouldn't be where it is today on their laptop business if developers haven't adopted en masse their macbooks.

[citation needed] — meaning that merely because developers perceive themselves as being directly influential doesn’t mean that they are necessarily . Sure, developers ultimately dictate the success or failure of a platform by choosing to populate its ecosystem of applications or give it a pass, but I assure you that if the only way to develop for iOS/iPadOS were a clunky UNIVAC fed with punched cards, developers woul…

You're missing the point. We're not influential because we can make or break a platform. We're influential because we're early adopters and thus we can see where the future is going. And as early adopters we interface between a given technology and the general public. We're not just individuals working out of a dungeon. We have friends and family and a social cycle who turn to us for advice for their technology needs.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by ogre_codes »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #249
LeoTinnitus wrote: post #94

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That's more than even high end mechanical keyboards cost.

And this isn’t even mechanical.

No, it's Apple's scissor switch keyboard which is considered one of the best low-profile keyboards around. Lugging around even a compact mechanical keyboard for use with an iPad is a hassle.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by ogre_codes »

76543210 wrote: post #119
Yabood wrote: post #9

The Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro will be available for purchase in May for $299 (US) for the 11-inch iPad Pro and $349 (US) for the 12.9-inch iPad Pro Wow. This must be one hell of a keyboard..

Nah Apple takes advantage of their walled off system. They know they have users and changing to an alternative is too difficult.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, bluetooth & USB keyboards all work fine. I've used aftermarket keyboards exclusively for the past... 6 or so years on the iPad.

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Post by qubex »

nextos wrote: post #444
qubex wrote: post #438

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Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

Sure, but a decent share of Apple's success was due to making OS X a very nice development platform. This attracted developers who created great desktop and mobile software. So I'd argue it's in Apple's best interest to keep developers happy. Also, is it that hard for a giant of Apple's size to put a fully fledged terminal in iPadOS?

> is it that hard for a giant of Apple’s size to put a fully fledged terminal in iPadOS?

Of course it isn’t. And that tells you that it’s a deliberate decision not to, because it’s miles from the platform’s intended use by the intended users.

Besides, it would be very confusing for users to have a terminal that can only connect to remote systems (which most people likely don’t have access to), because it’s rather improbable that Apple would choose to expose iPadOS through a shell.

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Post by gowld »

elorant wrote: post #481
qubex wrote: post #464

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[citation needed] — meaning that merely because developers perceive themselves as being directly influential doesn’t mean that they are necessarily . Sure, developers ultimately dictate the success or failure of a platform by choosing to populate its ecosystem of applications or give it a pass, but I assure you that if the only way to develop for iOS/iPadOS were a clunky UNIVAC fed with punched cards, developers woul…

You're missing the point. We're not influential because we can make or break a platform. We're influential because we're early adopters and thus we can see where the future is going. And as early adopters we interface between a given technology and the general public. We're not just individuals working out of a dungeon. We have friends and family and a social cycle who turn to us for advice for their technology needs…

That's how it was 30years ago. Now companies market to laypeople directly with simple plug and play solutions

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Post by shamino »

vlunkr wrote: post #422
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

We need to stop seeing the iPad Pro and Surface Pro as equals. iPad Pro is a luxury item, and it gives me so much more pleasure to use it. Aesthetics, design, the way I feel - these things matter. And they matter to most humans. We're not robots who only need to get a certain task accomplished. We need to feel happy.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by OGWhales »

jkaptur wrote: post #469
qubex wrote: post #436

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I’d wager that much of your incredulity regarding the suitability of iPads to doing “real work” hinges very sensitively upon what your conception of “real work” is, and that your judgement of utility follows suit. I’ve been using a succession of iPads as my main computing platforms since the first iteration was released ten years ago . Initial releases were a bit of a compromise, but the arrival of multitasking, mult…

> the risk of multitasking Do you worry about iOS's overaggressive autocorrect? (I'm just kidding, I know people are actually pretty close to as fast and accurate on mobile vs. desktop/laptop: https://userinterfaces.aalto.fi/typing37k/ )

Neat: I can type at 95 wpm on my phone.

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Post by robenkleene »

briandear wrote: post #475
robenkleene wrote: post #314

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Agreed. But the dilemma is Apple is not encouraging content creation on macOS. E.g., no important content creation apps are Sandboxed[0], so they can't be in the Mac App Store. And their latest development push, Catalyst and SwiftUI, is about cross-platform parity of low-powered apps, it does nothing for high-powered content-creation apps. With few exceptions, content creation has not been successful on iPadOS. And f…

> no important content creation apps are Sandboxed[0], so they can't be in the Mac App Store Logic Pro, Final Cut Studio, Motion Considering the Best Picture Oscar winner was cut with Final Cut, I’d say that’s an “important” content creation app. I agree that all content creation apps aren’t on the store, but you said “no important” ones, which isn’t factual.

Final Cut and Logic are not sandboxed (not sure about Motion), they are only in the Mac App Store because Apple lets their own apps skirt the rules.

UPDATE: "Parasite" was also edited on Final Cut Pro 7, released in 2009, which is not only deadly commentary on Apple's failure to accommodate content creators on it's own, it also predates not just sandboxing (2011), but the entire Mac App Store (2010).

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by vtail »

qubex wrote: post #474
blihp wrote: post #449

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It's not nonsense, it's just different use cases. For office productivity applications, of course the majority of users will be just fine. For many technical people, 'real' work tends to mean heavy compute and/or I/O workloads which most laptops don't do well with let alone mobile devices.

I am an inveterate and incorrigible Mathematica user, as most of my “real work” deals with what might be best described in layperson’s terms as “symbolic math”. Even though Wolfram has not (yet? hope always dies last!) released a version of Mathematica for the iPad (meaning, a frontend notebook coupled to an actual onboard computing kernel) they have released a client for “Wolfram Online” (often referred to as “ Clou…

I’m in the same boat: Wolfram Language has enlightened me (or you may say, corrupted me completely), so a prerequisite for any new computing device is that it can ran Mathematica.

Which is way I had to switch back from OpenBSD (which doesn’t run it) and Linux (which until today’s update, didn’t have HiDPI support) back to Mac OS.

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