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Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

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Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

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They still aren't safe if someone with an AK-47 pokes bits of TNT down the coolant pipes...

Yeah but a person with an AK-47 and TNT isn’t safe regardless of the setting

A person with an AK-47 and TNT can't render vast tracts of land uninhabitable for decades in the way that nuclear waste can.

I am very pro-nuclear in the US (and the EU etc.), but I think the concern about nuclear in potentially unstable nations is absolutely valid.

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

#32
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I used to be pro-nuclear, but here in South Africa, we can't even keep our coal plants running - nevermind nuclear. Last week a 930MW nuclear turbine at Koeberg went down because the cooling pump filters had not been cleaned in years and was filled with fish and jellyfish. Small-scale, independent solar producers and perhaps geothermal or CSP (molten salt) seem to be the only strategies that can work. There will alwa…

Nuclear does usually fine under corruption, war and fraud. Largest nuclear power plant in Europe is in Ukraine, just next to warzone.

But genociding your engineers is probably not best idea.

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

#33

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Question from a layman: What about "passively safe" reactor designs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_nuclear_safety

you still have disposal issues

where do you dispose of the Co2 from fossil fuels?

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

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Question from a layman: What about "passively safe" reactor designs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_nuclear_safety

you still have disposal issues

The response to this is always "where are we disposing the fossil fuel waste?"

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

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you still have disposal issues

The response to this is always "where are we disposing the fossil fuel waste?"

(and the answer is, in part, "into the air, water, etc., where it kills many, many people each year")

https://qz.com/568450/fossil-fuels-kill-more-people-every-ye...

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They still aren't safe if someone with an AK-47 pokes bits of TNT down the coolant pipes...

Yeah but a person with an AK-47 and TNT isn’t safe regardless of the setting

I think the comment's material point is, why put a nuclear plant in arms reach of such groups? It's a good point.

I would argue that most people are not talking about putting a nuclear plant in, say, Somalia. I think most people realize there have to be some preconditions met before you can really even think about using nuclear power. For the most part, if you are able as a nation to construct such a plant, you likely have the security infrastructure to secure the place. In fact, you likely have one of the more powerful security infrastructure buildouts in your region.

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

#37
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Yes. US Navy nuclear engineers are military service members, not contractors, and are therefore part of the chain of command. There are consequences for failing to follow protocol. https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/NNPTC/

I see you've never personally experienced the US military... Kidding aside, while many service members do uphold their oath honorably, there's plenty of non-compliance and outright malfeasance without accountability. And to the grandparent, the military does run reactors outside of ships (but typically for research as far as I know)

> I see you've never personally experienced the US military

I see you haven't bothered to actually look at the record. The U.S. Navy has decades of operating many nuclear reactors on ships and submarines with no incidents.

> there's plenty of non-compliance and outright malfeasance without accountability

Not in the U.S. Navy's nuclear program. Even what would be considered minor infractions in other parts of the military are grounds for immediate dismissal. I saw that happen once while I was in the Navy and stationed at a shipyard. A minor administrative irregularity got the reactor officer of a ship fired; he was off the ship the same day and never came back.

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

#38

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Question from a layman: What about "passively safe" reactor designs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_nuclear_safety

They still aren't safe if someone with an AK-47 pokes bits of TNT down the coolant pipes...

A hydroelectric power station is a far bigger risk if that's your threat model. A you have a relative eternity to get people out of harms way if a reactor goes pop compared to if a dam bursts.

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

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post #25
post #4

I used to be pro-nuclear, but here in South Africa, we can't even keep our coal plants running - nevermind nuclear. Last week a 930MW nuclear turbine at Koeberg went down because the cooling pump filters had not been cleaned in years and was filled with fish and jellyfish. Small-scale, independent solar producers and perhaps geothermal or CSP (molten salt) seem to be the only strategies that can work. There will alwa…

Actually, when the alternative is fossil fuels (and it frequently is), you only have to understand that, even if your nuclear reactor goes kaboom, it will still kill less people than your fossil fuel plant that does not blow up. And please don't give me "we should all use less energy." Even if we should all use less energy, it's still better to generate this less energy from nuclear, as long as we're using fossil fue…

This isn't really the criticism that the OP is making. Coal may kill more people, but it doesn't irradiate the surrounding area for hundreds of years if something goes wrong.

Personally, I agree that nuclear is probably not anti-fragile enough to be a widespread solution. Political instability is the norm, not the rarity, throughout history.

Re: Tokyo High Court slashes damages to Fukushima nuclear disaster evacuees

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Question from a layman: What about "passively safe" reactor designs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_nuclear_safety

you still have disposal issues

In the US at least we have massive tracts of wasteland perfectly suited for this purpose. Beats pumping poison in the air everyone breathes.
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