Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…
Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
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Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#22Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…
How many people dying is acceptable to you?
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#23Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…
Its crazy to pull the handbrake on the economy. 99% of the people that died were going to be death in a year or 2 anyway.
Have you heard about that school class full of 6 years old kids in Italy that died last a week?
Didn't happen but when it happens we do not have this options anymore. Old people die and thats life.
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does seem that we have blindly followed the Chinese's government's response to the outbreak without any real data. I'm guessing there may be large numbers of people who are affected who aren't really showing any symptoms other than typical cold/flu symptoms.
“It won’t happen here.” “It could happen here, but it’s not a big concern.” “It’s happening here, and it’s a big concern, but we don’t have reliable data so let’s do nothing.” “We have reliable data now, but it’s too late to do anything.”
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#25Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…
But you can lessen the impact on economy help with bring it back, western countries produce more than enough food to make sure nobody starves (if they want) If you leave covid 19 unchecked it will overwhelm your medical system anyway so even more people would loose access to medical care.
So the choice comes down to, hope that worst case (italy++) wont happen and carry on, or try to do something. And you cant get away with bulshit pretending that you are doing something when you are not, because people suddenly listen to scientist and doctors, when their ass is on the line.
Unsurprisingly we choose to do something.
Additionally given that in west most politicians are elected, and that most reliable voters and donors for political campaigns are from age group most affected by this virus, decision is even more obvious.
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#26Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…
How many people dying is acceptable to you?
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#27Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…
My figure is $2 million.
Then a billion $ is 500 lives.
A trillion $ is 500,000 lives.
This is how I rate it. What is your figure on a life?
And how would you relate loss and gain of $ to buying / destroying lives?
The discussion changes when you leave the West, so start there.
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does seem that we have blindly followed the Chinese's government's response to the outbreak without any real data. I'm guessing there may be large numbers of people who are affected who aren't really showing any symptoms other than typical cold/flu symptoms.
“It won’t happen here.” “It could happen here, but it’s not a big concern.” “It’s happening here, and it’s a big concern, but we don’t have reliable data so let’s do nothing.” “We have reliable data now, but it’s too late to do anything.”
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#29Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…
the Imperial College paper estimates 2 million dead in the US with no response and ~1 million dead with a limited response that doesn’t involve a full shutdown. That paper explicitly doesn’t consider the very severe economic impacts but it’s hard to imagine that deaths on that scale aren’t worse than whatever they might be.
Re: Coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
#30Are we sure that the economic damage of the shutdown of the world economy out weighs the heath risks of the virus. Are we in group think here? A major recession/depression means a lot of people go hungry, lose access to medical care etc. Does anyone know of studies or research that looks at the health impacts of a shutdown vs. the health risk of the virus ? Just asking questions. I keep asking this question and I get…