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Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by 10-1-100 »

ghastmaster wrote: post #27
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until covid-19 has petered out, the comparisons aren't valid. We're not even sure yet where on the upslope of infections we are. It's way too early to compare it the annual rate of anything else.

It's literally just information. I'm comparing current data, which is clearly indicated and sourced.

I think the problem is that the information (and specifically your third source) is misleading.

Note in your first source that the CDC estimates _36 to 51 million_ flu illnesses this season _in the US_. I'm not sure why your third source says "5 million cases".

The flu doesn't originate from a single point geographically every year, as it is already embedded in communities globally.

So, even if the current numbers we have for coronavirus infections are off by an order of magnitude, it is easy to reason that once this coronavirus reaches spread at the levels of the flu (i.e., 30-50 million infections _in the US alone_), the death numbers are likely to be much much higher than the seasonal flu.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by heavyset_go »

ghastmaster wrote: post #23
kragen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't use HN to spread misinformation that could cause massive numbers of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

For someone with access to citable stats, you sure seem to have left out the cumulative number of people who get influenza, and the amount of people who are slated to catch the more infectious coronavirus.

Without those statistics, you're comparing apples to oranges when you point to the total number of deaths per year for both diseases.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by peterisza »

Barrin92 wrote: post #34
Cogito wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flu is community spread, and not possible to contain. There are many strains, and immunity to the previous season's flu does not provide immunity to this one. The new virus can be contained, at least could have been though perhaps it's too late for that. The only thing keeping the deaths so low to this point has been the containment efforts. The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-…

>The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-19 has done to Italy. to be fair it certainly can and does. The 2017/2018 influenza pandemic was probably the worst one in a decade, with 35 million infections, 700 000 hospitalizations and 60k deaths, and people for a while were treated in tents and a state of emergency was declared in Alabama, and Southern California and Texas had to turn away…

And that's a 0.2% mortality rate, still nowhere near as bad as even the lowest estimates for COVID-19.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by HumblyTossed »

_ea1k wrote: post #2

Why is the Sheriff the one pointing this out on Twitter? EDIT: The earlier coverage included this quote: "What’s essential about automobile manufacturing in the midst of a viral pandemic? “That’s a good question,” said spokesman Ray Kelly, promising more information would be forthcoming. “We’re in uncharted waters right now.”" There are different ways to interpret that, but they seemingly were not confident at the ti…

Isn't Twitter where official government business is handled now?

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by bluGill »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #31
_ea1k wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's definitely true. I'm sure this calms a lot of anxiety on their part. And if there had been an outbreak, this could end up being life-saving.

Tesla's Fremont factory employs 10k people. I imagine they work closely together, touch a lot of the same stuff, would be at high risk of transmitting this, but I really have no idea. This would almost certainly lead to 1-10+ deaths -- his workers directly or people infected by them. It would lead to hundreds of not thousands of cases of pneumonia and permanent lung damage. It could easily cost millions of dollars to…

Do they? I work at a factory and those doing production are in small teams (6 max, and your team is assigned for the duration of this crisis) that have it easy to never contact the next (except lunchtime and those of us with a desk are required to eat at our desks to give them more room - I'm working from home which is better yet) modern factories have most of the work done by robots, so it is easy to keep a robot between you and the next team.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by Cogito »

Barrin92 wrote: post #34
Cogito wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flu is community spread, and not possible to contain. There are many strains, and immunity to the previous season's flu does not provide immunity to this one. The new virus can be contained, at least could have been though perhaps it's too late for that. The only thing keeping the deaths so low to this point has been the containment efforts. The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-…

>The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-19 has done to Italy. to be fair it certainly can and does. The 2017/2018 influenza pandemic was probably the worst one in a decade, with 35 million infections, 700 000 hospitalizations and 60k deaths, and people for a while were treated in tents and a state of emergency was declared in Alabama, and Southern California and Texas had to turn away…

Thanks, those are good examples I hadn't heard of.

From the descriptions there and coming out of Italy it should be clear that COVID-19 is much worse than the worst flu we've seen in a decade.

The only thing keeping deaths low to this point is that it isn't as widespread.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by airstrike »

elcritch wrote: post #29
gentleman11 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to the employees, it’s nice to be able to stay safe

Won’t they pretty much all get it eventually? The quarantine is more about reducing the rate of infection not preventing infection to reduce load on healthcare system.

And getting it later as opposed to now falls under the definition of "safe", as cases with complications will have greater odds of being properly treated.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by lmeyerov »

manicdee wrote: post #12
pkaye wrote: post #4

I live close to that plant. I hope they don't just keep spreading that virus and negate the effort we are doing by the "shelter in place". I'm a dialysis patient myself and have no idea what this virus will do to me. I'll probably be cannon fodder if the health system is overloaded.

Are you in contact with people from the plant or do you use separate toilets, cafes, and supermarkets? Shelter in place is about preventing person-to-person spread of the disease through direct contact or via intermediary such as a bench, chair or physical currency. COVID-19 is not going to spread from the plant to your house without some kind of transmission mechanism.

Alameda county, as with most of the counties in the bay area, already has outbreaks.

Shelter in place gives time for current cases to go symptomatic & become traceable, among other benefits. Testing only effectively started last week, and is still a joke compared to what other countries with outbreaks of this level are doing.

I'm suspecting Tesla is employing sock puppets, or people with too much invested in Tesla, are overly eager to void the shelter-in-place effort for an arbitrary 10K people.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by afiori »

ghastmaster wrote: post #23
kragen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't use HN to spread misinformation that could cause massive numbers of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

Even without entering in comparison of the numbers a decisive factor is that we have no proof that there are no long term negative effects, or even that (partial) immunity carries over to the following year as with the flu, or that it will mutate in more unpredictable ways.
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