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Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by _ea1k »

gentleman11 wrote: post #20
_ea1k wrote: post #9

To be fair to Tesla, they are much less likely to spread the virus than some of the "essential" services that are allowed to remain open. To be fair to the county, finding that perfect balance of what is essential and what is not is impossible. I can't blame them for coming down on this side of things.

To be fair to the employees, it’s nice to be able to stay safe

That's definitely true. I'm sure this calms a lot of anxiety on their part. And if there had been an outbreak, this could end up being life-saving.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by krick »

discordance wrote: post #16

I'm surprised that people are surprised. The rules don't apply to wealthy people and organizations: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/coronav...

Probably I'm just out of the loop, but I don't see how this is relevant. My understanding is that the point of the linked feed is that rules do apply to Tesla: it should stop operations, because it is not essential business (which is quite fair). So, yeah, I'm surprised that people are surprised as well, but in the exactly opposite way: it's weird they assume Tesla should be special somehow.

Or am I missing something and Tesla did not stop operations for some reason? I'm just not seeing it mentioned anywhere.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by ghastmaster »

kragen wrote: post #8
ginsing wrote: post #5

It will do just the same as any other flu.

Please don't use HN to spread misinformation that could cause massive numbers of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e...

>CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000

That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati...

Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning in let's say December to give it the worst rates. That equals 1865 deaths per month.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bigger-concern-wuhan-virus...

>5 Million Cases Worldwide, 650,000 Deaths Annually (influenza)

That's 54,000 deaths per month for the whole world.

Covid-19 is currently at 3.5% of the worldwide deaths of influenza with 1/4th of the year over.

Hopefully this is not considered misinformation that will cause massive numbers of deaths.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

ghastmaster wrote: post #23
kragen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't use HN to spread misinformation that could cause massive numbers of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

Until covid-19 has petered out, the comparisons aren't valid. We're not even sure yet where on the upslope of infections we are. It's way too early to compare it the annual rate of anything else.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by takeda »

thrill wrote: post #14
bdcravens wrote: post #11

Sad how most of the comments on that thread are focused around it being a conspiracy to affect Tesla's stock price.

It's the TSLA version of a Trump fanboy - anything that is not 100% supportive is trashed as 100% in opposition to whatever you hold dear. Room for nuance is quickly trolled away because it might leave room for people to think, "hey, that's not right...".

Looking at the names of these accounts it hardly looks like those people care about health.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by ghastmaster »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #24
ghastmaster wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

Until covid-19 has petered out, the comparisons aren't valid. We're not even sure yet where on the upslope of infections we are. It's way too early to compare it the annual rate of anything else.

It's literally just information. I'm comparing current data, which is clearly indicated and sourced.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by nkurz »

krick wrote: post #22
discordance wrote: post #16

I'm surprised that people are surprised. The rules don't apply to wealthy people and organizations: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/coronav...

Probably I'm just out of the loop, but I don't see how this is relevant. My understanding is that the point of the linked feed is that rules do apply to Tesla: it should stop operations, because it is not essential business (which is quite fair). So, yeah, I'm surprised that people are surprised as well, but in the exactly opposite way: it's weird they assume Tesla should be special somehow. Or am I missing something…

> Or am I missing something and Tesla did not stop operations for some reason?

You probably missed the earlier story, which is that Tesla believed they had obtained special permission to continue normal operations as an "essential business": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607357

This story is that Alameda County has since made clear that Tesla is not an "essential business" and is only allowed to "maintain minimum basic operations": https://www.kron4.com/news/alameda-county-officials-determin....

Presumably Tesla will comply with this?

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by elcritch »

gentleman11 wrote: post #20
_ea1k wrote: post #9

To be fair to Tesla, they are much less likely to spread the virus than some of the "essential" services that are allowed to remain open. To be fair to the county, finding that perfect balance of what is essential and what is not is impossible. I can't blame them for coming down on this side of things.

To be fair to the employees, it’s nice to be able to stay safe

Won’t they pretty much all get it eventually? The quarantine is more about reducing the rate of infection not preventing infection to reduce load on healthcare system.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by Cogito »

ghastmaster wrote: post #23
kragen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't use HN to spread misinformation that could cause massive numbers of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

The flu is community spread, and not possible to contain. There are many strains, and immunity to the previous season's flu does not provide immunity to this one.

The new virus can be contained, at least could have been though perhaps it's too late for that. The only thing keeping the deaths so low to this point has been the containment efforts.

The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-19 has done to Italy.

It is misinformation to blindly compare total deaths between two diseases like you are.

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