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Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

_ea1k wrote: post #21
gentleman11 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to the employees, it’s nice to be able to stay safe

That's definitely true. I'm sure this calms a lot of anxiety on their part. And if there had been an outbreak, this could end up being life-saving.

Tesla's Fremont factory employs 10k people. I imagine they work closely together, touch a lot of the same stuff, would be at high risk of transmitting this, but I really have no idea.

This would almost certainly lead to 1-10+ deaths -- his workers directly or people infected by them. It would lead to hundreds of not thousands of cases of pneumonia and permanent lung damage. It could easily cost millions of dollars to the US tax payer in Medicare and Medicaid expenses.

Shutting down production at Fremont for a couple werks shouldn't do much to the underlying fundamentals of Tesla -- it could actually be a good thing. Car sales are giving every indication they'll be heavily depressed for months -- if not til the end of the year.

This is a selfish play by Elan to do anything (almost literally human sacrifice) to keep his stock price high.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by terraqueous »

ghastmaster wrote: post #23
kragen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't use HN to spread misinformation that could cause massive numbers of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

The CDC also estimates that if measures are not taken against the spread of COVID-19, direct deaths in the United States could range from 200,000 to 1.7 million. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-est...

Few deaths in past months does not mean few deaths in the coming months, because infections spread exponentially.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

manicdee wrote: post #12
pkaye wrote: post #4

I live close to that plant. I hope they don't just keep spreading that virus and negate the effort we are doing by the "shelter in place". I'm a dialysis patient myself and have no idea what this virus will do to me. I'll probably be cannon fodder if the health system is overloaded.

Are you in contact with people from the plant or do you use separate toilets, cafes, and supermarkets? Shelter in place is about preventing person-to-person spread of the disease through direct contact or via intermediary such as a bench, chair or physical currency. COVID-19 is not going to spread from the plant to your house without some kind of transmission mechanism.

tesla working living in fremont to tesla working living in alameda to supermarket worker in alameda to other alameda residents.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by Barrin92 »

Cogito wrote: post #30
ghastmaster wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

The flu is community spread, and not possible to contain. There are many strains, and immunity to the previous season's flu does not provide immunity to this one. The new virus can be contained, at least could have been though perhaps it's too late for that. The only thing keeping the deaths so low to this point has been the containment efforts. The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-…

>The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-19 has done to Italy.

to be fair it certainly can and does. The 2017/2018 influenza pandemic was probably the worst one in a decade, with 35 million infections, 700 000 hospitalizations and 60k deaths, and people for a while were treated in tents and a state of emergency was declared in Alabama, and Southern California and Texas had to turn away patients.

https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie...

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by treparist »

J_cst wrote: post #13
ginsing wrote: post #5

It will do just the same as any other flu.

This is a dangerous understatement. Please think twice before spreading false information, especially in the current circumstances where misinformation kills for real. Be safe, ciao from Italy

My family still lives in Turin and mom work in hospital ;) So, i think i can write something down: The biggest problem is that C really affect old people. So, yes - old people die...thats terrible, nothing to say. BUT, mom hospital is overcrowded with just lay in bed, drink more and relax. Thats the only advice for now.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by tomrod »

ghastmaster wrote: post #23
kragen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't use HN to spread misinformation that could cause massive numbers of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

We have a flu shot that was partially effective this year. Some years are better than others.

We have no defense against COVID-19, so until herd immunity becomes a thing by social distancing please flatten the curve to keep our health system from being overwhelmed.

Influenza death rate on known cases is about 0.1% or less. Best estimates for Covid-19 are from SK and, to my knowledge, are around 0.6%. But the ICU fills up quick and then death rate spikes.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by ghastmaster »

Cogito wrote: post #30
ghastmaster wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... >CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been: 22,000-55,000 That's 4,400 deaths per month in the United States on the low estimate. 11,000 on the high. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati... Total worldwide deaths according to the CDC so far for covid-19 is equal to 7426 since the beginning i…

The flu is community spread, and not possible to contain. There are many strains, and immunity to the previous season's flu does not provide immunity to this one. The new virus can be contained, at least could have been though perhaps it's too late for that. The only thing keeping the deaths so low to this point has been the containment efforts. The flu does not overrun an entire country's hospital system like COVID-…

>It is misinformation to blindly compare total deaths between two diseases like you are.

mis•in•for•ma•tion ► n. Wrong information; false account or intelligence. n. Untrue or incorrect information. n. Information that is incorrect.

I disagree.

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by tomrod »

ghastmaster wrote: post #27
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until covid-19 has petered out, the comparisons aren't valid. We're not even sure yet where on the upslope of infections we are. It's way too early to compare it the annual rate of anything else.

It's literally just information. I'm comparing current data, which is clearly indicated and sourced.

It would be like comparing Compact Disc sales from 2016 and 1996. Sure, both are compact discs, but the comparison isn't relevant anymore in the broad context of music consumption. The point is that while the comparison is superficially similar it isn't really supporting any major points beyond "these things are different."

Re: Tesla is not essential business as defined in the Alameda County Health Order

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Post by bluGill »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #26

Have other car factories had to shut down, or is the Tesla plant unique for being in an urban area? The UAW seems to be trying to get Michigan/Midwest plants shutdown, and of course the southern plants aren’t union.

Some are shutting down. Tesla is different because all their cars are ordered by someone and so shutting down impacts customers. Others are just building for market and since people are not buying now they are more interested in shutting down production because it just builds up inventory that they need to sell (often meaning a sale).

I'm not going to comment on if they should shut down. With the right provision it is safer to go to work than stay home bored and tempted to go out and do something. this assumes many things not all that I'm aware of, and they might or might not be possible in the factory

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