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Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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Based on what data?

As a business owner I hope you are right, that this clears up in weeks not months; However it would be pretty irresponsible of me to take that line of thinking, no? The facts appear to be supporting the 3 month shutdown, they include: - The US Government has said, including the President, that this could last until August. Some expert think that's conservative. - A vaccine isn't likely for 12+ months. - Testing facil…

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Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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People in Hubei are closing in on 3 months of lockdown. Other provinces not far behind. Are Americans really that uncivilised they cannot bear the thought of several months locked down in the comfort of their own homes?

I am sure all the waiters, cooks, restaurant owners, shop owners, shop staff, cleaning crew, construction workers, gardners, pilots, cabin crew, airport staff, taxi drivers, dentists, haidressers and business operators staff for all these businesses will be more than happy to stay at home for 3+ months without pay.

Such is the reality when a large percentage of the workforce are in dispensable jobs that are over-exposed to Black Swan events like this.

Countries with an adequate social security net in place have a (temporary) answer at least.

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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>the cascading economic impact from just this one sector will be enormous. The entire hospitality industry is going to take a huge hit. I do work in the convention, corporate travel/event space, and my calendar up until June has been wiped out. Cascading is the key thing people seem to gloss over. Sure, servers and kitchen staff are obvious. The food delivery people will not be needed. Companies like Aramark that pro…

(This subthread was originally a child of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606894)

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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Perhaps US eat-out culture will die, and those who worked those jobs will just have to find some other means by which to negotiate value from the economy.

Remarkable how quickly you were able to dehumanize the economic impact on millions of lives and yet simultaneously anthropomorphize the “economy”. A single sentence.

Please don't respond to a bad comment with another bad comment. That only makes the thread even worse. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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What they need to do is provide everyone with restaurant vouchers paid for by the government. Then we can all have a big meal after this is over and keep our favourite eateries alive.

And how do the restaurant staff pay for food and shelter in the meantime?

If it's known that restaurants will get paid eventually, it makes it easier to finance. I guess it's still not gonna be easy to stay afloat. The staff will need a handout. Either special law or they get unemployment. Not sure.

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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Good. Expect to be quarantined for the next 3 months. Then you can be pleasantly surprised when it’s 2.

2 weeks tops. Calling it now. 2 months of this will result in rioting and all kinds of crazy shit. And for what? The data based in SK and Singapore doesn’t suggest this virus is worth risking compete societal collapse. Testing there is showing a >1% death rate and because of how those tests work, it is provably about a half to a full order of magnitude lower. Sorry doomsayers, you better have some good evidence to su…

FWIW studies have seen 0-24 days incubation period (though typically 2-7 days, still long) - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incuba....

This study (https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200370, small cohort of 21) had a symptoms-to-discharge period of 19+/-4 days (17+/-4 days in hospital).

Assuming you have a perfect lock down now. People will continue for 7 days to get infected from asymptomatic cases (much longer for some). At the end of that week it will be one week until most symptoms have appeared (but again much longer for some). Now you have hospitalisations of the infected, or home care (as hospitals won't be able to cope). In UK you have to test negative from 3 tests on two subsequent days in order to be cleared for release (report on BBC Radio 4 from an infected patient); assuming a similar standard then we're looking at 7+7+17 days, 31 days until people are starting to be safe to associate with ...

I don't share your "2 weeks top" blind faith.

>Testing there is showing a >1% death rate and because of how those tests work, it is provably about a half to a full order of magnitude lower.

Could you source the proof of this please?

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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> on the condition that they pay employees normal wages for those days. "Normal wages" for many restaurant workers in the U.S. exclude tips. Without tips, "normal wages" is below the minimum wage. While it might better than nothing, it's not liveable.

> "Normal wages" for many restaurant workers in the U.S. exclude tips. Without tips, "normal wages" is below the minimum wage. Restaurants are required to bump tipped employees up to the non-tipped minimum wage if the tips don't put them over it. Thus, "normal wages" in this case would be the non-tipped minimum wage.

What a bizarre interpretation of 'minimum wage' and 'tip'! This means that the restaurant owner essentially collects (part of) the tips?

So you could employ a restaurant worker at $0/h and then bump them to minimum wage, because the tips will never cut it? Basically, you'd be collecting all the tips? This cannot seriously be legal!?

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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Germany's Robert Koch Institute just spoke of "up to two years" today... (Near the bottom of the page if you can read German: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/coronavirus-deutschland-rki... )

That “up to two years” applies to how long it would take for 60–70% of people to get the virus if you are aiming for a “herd immunity” scenario. It doesn’t claim that the present lockdown will last two years.

Oh, the first version of the text read differently, there is a correction at the bottom.

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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The one time I bought on Grubhub I had trouble getting the price to something reasonable even with the coupon I had (only reason I was trying it) because all the menu prices were way higher than at the actual restaurants. Even with (IIRC) the delivery fee waived and a significant % off (I wanna say 20 or 30?) it was about the same as going in. Does Grubhub do the menu-price adjusting part, or do the restaurants? Unli…

I noticed the same thing a while back with DoorDash when trying to order some Cracker Barrel breakfast. It was something like a 30-40% hike across the board. I emailed DoorDash to ask what was going on with the prices and got a super misleading response along the lines of "our partner restaurants set their own prices" [1]- basically deflecting the blame back at the restaurant. So I emailed Cracker Barrel, and they ar…

I noticed the same thing a while back with DoorDash when trying to order some Cracker Barrel breakfast. It was something like a 30-40% hike across the board.

If DoorDash or Uber Eats charges 30% (which is fucking insane if they do), where do you think that comes from? Restaurants aren't making 30% profit.

Compounding the problem GrubHub, and presumably other "gig economy" delivery services, preemptively adds non-partner restaurants against their will:

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Grubhub-Michelin-star-SF...

Re: The state of the restaurant industry

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Are you kidding me, how many people do you know who can put together a decent meal, let alone a tasty meal. Combined with the fact that people will stress-eat and stress-drink delivery food and liquor sales will experience a big-time boom.

Quite a few actually. Cooking isn't that difficult.

While cooking isn't that difficult, that biggest thing I think people will run into is just not being equipped. I have known several people that enjoyed eating out all of the time and never spent time equipping the kitchen. Sure, your basic pots and pans, but not measuring cups or spoons, mixing bowls, etc. Forks, spoons, butter knives on hand, but not a decent paring knife or chef's knife. I'm not talking stand mixers and food processors, but basic equipment that makes cooking easier and not frustrating. It's no wonder wedding registries are full of kitchen items.
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