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50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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> and push it higher than a normal flu season. last major flu season in Italy killed 24k people. We didn't immolate the global economy as a result

Why didn’t the hospital system collapse because of the flu?

It is because of the consequences of covid-19 on the lungs of some people, which needs intensive care and specialized equipment to cure them, that is rare (ventilators etc.).

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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There is a huge shortage of masks in the west - even hospitals are running out.

And that is the only reason for the claim that masks are useless. Of course they are not useless, Chinese aren't idiots.

Masks are effective at preventing spread to others, but they're fairly ineffective at preventing spread to the wearer since the virus can get on any exposed skin and make it's way to your mouth (e.g. touching after washing hands) within the 3 hours or so it can survive.

Since we don't know who is contagious, and we don't have enough masks for everyone, they're essentially "useless". They're quite useful for medical professionals because they're more likely to use sufficient caution than the average person, so it makes sense to reduce panic buying for something that likely won't help the average person so more are available for those that really need it.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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I keep hearing “masks are useless”. If every person who has any cough or any chest tightness or any sore throat, however mild, put on a mask, wouldn’t that stop the spread? I live in Japan. It started here earlier but didn’t explode. Nothing is closed. Business as usual. everyone wears masks. Most cases in Hokkaido. Maybe because it is much colder there and easy to overexposed and tax the immune system.

I live in Japan too and just spoke with a friend who thinks government is hiding cases to keep the Olympics. Given how hard it seems to get a test (as per the press) this has some truth. People are a bit more careful than in Europe but not amazingly careful either, so the virus is probably spreading silently.

That certainly seems like something the Japanese government would do. Just look at the Fukushima nuclear issue for evidence of them hiding information to save face. I personally do not trust the Japanese government to be transparent about such things.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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I'm not sure if you're quoting something or paraphrasing a position you disagree with. If it's a paraphrase, I'm not so sure it's a fair one. In the United States, for example, we are urging people not to be tested unless they have severe symptoms. The reason for that is not to save money, but it's for a lack of testing capacity. As a policy we would much prefer to be testing even the mild suspected cases. But we don…

> In the United States, for example, we are urging people not to be tested unless they have severe symptoms. They should test randomly: e.g. use a hash of the person’s name. Otherwise there is a huge risk of missing cases that matter...

Testing randomly gets us a better picture of how widespread it is then testing to confirm severe cases. I'd much rather know that X% of the population has it with an error of Y than Z% of severe cases are due to this virus.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Hospitals in Italy are over capacity. People are prioritized based on chance of survival. Anyone unlucky is left to die because there is not enough equipment.

Yesterday the news was that anybody over 80 is not treated. They simply don't have the capacity for it, and survival chances are better for people under 80.

It's not a rule i've read on any Italian report. There was a doctor in Bergamo who said that they might have to do that in an interview and it was misreported in the international media. (I'm Italian living abroad) the Italian healthcare system is regularly listed in the top 10 in the world and Lombardy is usually number 1 in Italy. They are building a massive facility in one of the exhibition centers in Milan, it's tough but they're doing amazing work, from what I read and what I hear from people. I am much more worried for my friends in the USA..

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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> I suspect the true numbers are about 10x-50x the reported confirmed cases I came to similar conclusion just looking at the openly available numbers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries If you compare the number of serious cases to the number of total cases for different countries you'll get a 10x difference. Norway tests more thoroughly then the other countries, so it has a huge number of active ca…

I made a simple site to graph the daily increase figures. It only shows infections and deaths but from that you can see very different ratios for different countries. ( http://coronanalytics.com if you’re interested.)

You might try sorting the countries in your select input. They appear to be in some random order and I almost gave up looking for the country I was interested in.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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I live in Japan and I experience mild symptoms since last Wednesday but not sure if my symptom is due to Covid-19. In Japan, You have meet two conditions to take a CPR test.

1. the symptoms with fever of 37.5 degrees or more continue for 4 days or more (for the eldery and those with underlying disease, "4 days" becomes "2 days")

2. you have strong laxity (malaise) or breathlessness (dyspnea), or you have underlying diseases (diabetes, heart failure, respiratory diseases (such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease))

I don't meet the first condition, so I was refused to take a test, but I still have chest tightness and consistent coughing. I wonder where the number "37.5" comes from, and 4 squeal days!? If the article in question is true, these two conditions are totally meaningless.

So why is taking a PCR test so hard in Japan? Most people believe it is due to Olympic. The Japanese prime minister, Shinzo Abe, still believes we can hold Olympic as planned at this point. To that end, they want to hide the case of infection as possible. I feel strong anger towards my government since they care more about Olympic than human lives.

At this point, Olympic will be inevitably postponed. I hope my government is smart enough to loosen the conditions and let people to take PCR tests immediately…

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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That is a bad metric. The death rate could be really bad yet the overall death rate would still not change very much.

If I am the only person on the planet with a 100% deadly disease why should I force everyone else to suffer because of me?

The fear and suffering alone is enough to have a negative effect on people, so it matters.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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The original source of the linked article is a letter by Prof. Sergio Romagnani, sent to the newspaper Corriere Fiorentino, published here on March 15: https://corrierefiorentino.corriere.it/firenze/notizie/crona... As follow-up, they interviewed him, published on March 17: https://corrierefiorentino.corriere.it/firenze/notizie/crona...

Very interesting, thanks.

Translation of the follow-up article: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=it&tl=en&u=htt...

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Some news services have referred to asymptotic spread but it's just hyperbole.

Your obtuse reply isn't even tangentially related to the line of discussion.

I feel it's unfair that people have disrespected the trifecta you achieved here.
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