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Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by etrk »

watwut wrote: post #72
trymas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Self quarantine without a notice and hence without pay? If you have symptoms of _any_ illness you should always get a sick leave and stay at home. It does not matter if it's covid, seasonal flu or just a common cold - sick leave and stay at home.

I agree with you and practice that. But even in tech where work from home is an option and companies are rich enough to let people stay in bad anyway, in many companies it is treated as heroic to push through. Meaning, staying at home makes you seen as less comited and less passionate. Thus, people avoid it.

If you're working for a company where it's seen as "heroic" or "passionate" to come to work sick, you're in a toxic environment.

I've had a couple co-workers who perhaps see themselves as heroic for coming to work sick, but everyone else resents them and wishes they would just stay home.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by mtsr »

lend000 wrote: post #63

I'm not a confirmed case, but I'm a 90% sure case based on symptoms and symptoms of people I have been in close contact with, and so far the experience has been relatively mild, in the literal sense. The primary discomfort has likely been the anxiety of how the tightness in my chest might progress (which ironically can also cause chest tightness). I'm in a low risk group. I had lethargy and high fever the first day o…

Mean incubation period is 5.6 days (range 1-14). So while possible, it’s highly unlikely you got it 1 day after infection.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by kart23 »

grey-area wrote: post #23
DeonPenny wrote: post #9

We've known this for a while. Everyone will get it. You might have it now. Nothing will happen. Still, quarantine for a while because you'll give it to an older person or kid. This isn't about a 20-something year old getting sick. Let your anti-bodies make yourself non-contagious. We are all kindergartens and this is chickenpox basically.

That means 1-2 million deaths in the US according to the latest modelling from Imperial Collage London, so it’s likely all countries will proceed to full lockdown for months at some point soon.

This just isnt true. Look at china. Their new cases per day have now dropped to effectively zero. Under 100,000 people got it, and deaths are around 6,000. Keep in mind this is for a population of 1.3 Billion. US population is 300 million. Please explain how 2 million people are gonna die in this country.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

jader201 wrote: post #4

In case this thread doesn’t gain momentum, some more (potentially interesting) discussion on Reddit [1]. Particularly this post [2]: > I wonder if they plan to follow up and monitor... From the Diamond Princess they initially found 50% of people had no symptoms. However upon following them over the course of weeks that dropped down to about 18%. Due to the long incubation period it can take some time to determine if…

This is what I was wondering when I read Donovan Mitchell from the Utah Jazz saying he felt fine. I wondered if he just hasn’t become ill yet.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by zelphirkalt »

lgats wrote: post #71
endogui wrote: post #67

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The Italian number (75%) comes from testing everyone in a village of 3000 people. The Chinese number (1%) comes from testing everyone who comes to hospitals and maybe their family members. I would guess that the Chinese sample was selected for people displaying symptoms (asymptomatic people will not go to the clinic), while the Italian number biases for people early in the course of the disease. For the purposes of p…

How are the South Korean's coming up with such few positives if the disease is presumably spreading among the 70% with no symptoms?

Early strict containment and disciplin.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by endogui »

lgats wrote: post #71
endogui wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Italian number (75%) comes from testing everyone in a village of 3000 people. The Chinese number (1%) comes from testing everyone who comes to hospitals and maybe their family members. I would guess that the Chinese sample was selected for people displaying symptoms (asymptomatic people will not go to the clinic), while the Italian number biases for people early in the course of the disease. For the purposes of p…

How are the South Korean's coming up with such few positives if the disease is presumably spreading among the 70% with no symptoms?

Most "asymptomatic" people will show symptoms within two weeks, so aggressive cluster/contact tracing works. South Korean local goveenment staff are following the credit card use, transit use, and other daily movements (CCTV logs) for every confirmed case, then issue two week self-isolation orders to those who shared a workplace, restaurant, cafe, church, or elevator with the confirmed case. Since most cases get a short lived fever or cough within two weeks, SK has been able to stop most transmission chains. I'm actually a bit confused about the scope of SK testing. It looks like everyone with symptoms is being tested, as well as quarantined health care workers and quarantined people from high risk groups, but I'm not sure whether asymptomatic people are tested at the end of their quarantine period.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by encoderer »

ncallaway wrote: post #54
username90 wrote: post #12

"Everyone we found to have Covid-19 had serious symptoms, so we don't want to waste money testing you if you don't!" I feel this is a trillion dollar mistake, testing more aggressively like South Korea means that you don't have to deploy the army and quarantine people. I had mild symptoms and they refused to test me, what am I to do? Self quarantine without a notice and hence without pay? I could work from home, but…

I'm not sure if you're quoting something or paraphrasing a position you disagree with. If it's a paraphrase, I'm not so sure it's a fair one. In the United States, for example, we are urging people not to be tested unless they have severe symptoms. The reason for that is not to save money, but it's for a lack of testing capacity. As a policy we would much prefer to be testing even the mild suspected cases. But we don…

The lack of testing capacity was a choice.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by tomp »

kalleboo wrote: post #46
mkagenius wrote: post #17

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I would assume that asymptomatic person has a lesser concentration of virus and hence would be less contagious than the really sick ones

If you're asymptomatic, you're not coughing droplets everywhere, which ought to make you less contagious

On the other hand, some people (e.g. myself) keep sneezing and coughing the whole winter every winter, so I definitely wouldn’t consider those symptoms without either headache, body ache, throat pain or fever...

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by lurquer »

taneq wrote: post #57
IIAOPSW wrote: post #14

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On an unrelated note, I just noticed this entire time I've been reading "asymptomatic" as "asymptotic". I thought it was cases that happen in the limit as severity goes to zero.

Some news services have referred to asymptotic spread but it's just hyperbole.

Your obtuse reply isn't even tangentially related to the line of discussion.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by romski »

rixed wrote: post #58
uluyol wrote: post #44

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Unfortunately this is not an option for many people. I don't disagree with the sentiment - avoiding the spread of disease is good - but often the reward systems in place don't optimize for the best global outcomes.

Luckily we are born with "judgment" for all these cases were instincts or rewards do not point in the right direction. According to some, that's literally the reason d'etre of consciousness. I wish it worked better and I were not confined home right now.

You sound like someone that works at a company with “unlimited pto” am I right?
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