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Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by skrebbel »

throwaway78359 wrote: post #232

Microsoftie here — throwaway for obvious reasons. Microsoft doesn’t do everything right but the GitHub acquisition has honestly gone better than I ever expected. Rather than forcing GitHub to adopt Microsoft centric policies, Microsoft has adopted more GitHub stuff, especially from a product POV. GitHub still runs as a separate company (different logins and health care and hiring systems) with its own policies and po…

> after we saw what happened to yarn

I missed something, what happened to Yarn?

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Post by SloopJon »

adventured wrote: post #244
FooBarWidget wrote: post #225

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Not to mention that upper management doesn't consist of the same people as 15 years ago.

Most of Microsoft's anti-trust related behavior was in the 1990s. Closer to 25 years ago. Merely a quarter of a century. There's something hilariously farcical about holding a grudge toward Microsoft for a quarter of a century.

Microsoft's corruption of ISO to standardize Office Open XML is much more recent than that.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

smolder wrote: post #201
epicide wrote: post #154

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What does a trustworthy Microsoft look like to you?

To me it looks like water that isn't wet. PR (propaganda) and time will improve their reputation, but the "commodify your compliment" strategy, the intent to dominate markets through anticompetitive behavior... Those things aren't gone. Big tech companies (like most big business) don't prioritize public good over profit, so they really don't deserve anyone's trust apart from trusting them to seek profit.

Maybe. But until someone comes up with a competitive alternative, that is a mood point.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

irrational wrote: post #213
epicide wrote: post #154

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What does a trustworthy Microsoft look like to you?

I’ve been a developer for nearly 25 years. I’m not sure if there is anything MS could ever do to regain my trust. Unfortunately this seems to be the way of large tech companies. At one time I thought Google was the best thing ever (don’t be evil). Now I find that I view Google in much the same way as I do MS. A huge corrupt behemoth that needs to be broken up.

I definitely saw Microsoft-of-the-90s as corrupt and harmful, and I definitely see Google-of-today as corrupt and harmful. I am not wholly opposed to the idea that both are bigger than companies should be allowed to be.

But apart from the fact that they followed the unfortunate modern trend to add telemetry to things, I can't really say Microsoft has done anything particularly offensive to me in the past... nearly a decade?

Just because you've been a developer for 25 years doesn't mean you should evaluate a company based on 25 year old events.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

loudmax wrote: post #243
epicide wrote: post #154

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What does a trustworthy Microsoft look like to you?

For most businesses, Microsoft still holds a monopoly position on desktop OSs. For a lot of smaller IT departments, this bleeds into back-end servers as well. Microsoft has the Windows Subsystem for Linux, allowing Linux binaries to run on Windows. How about the reverse? Get WINE to the point where Linux (or FreeBSD or some fully source OS) can reliably run Windows binaries. Along the same line, provide portable libr…

Microsoft is arguably working on it: They offered up exFAT support to Linux, and it's been added to the kernel. SQL Server being supported on Linux is huge. Probably the absolute biggest selling point to Windows-based infrastructure remains Active Directory, and if you're cool with being cloud-based (I'm not, FWIW), they offer that through Azure now.

Windows is like three decades of legacy systems, but I would argue many of Microsoft's recent decisions have been at the cost of their Windows division.

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AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #246
reaperducer wrote: post #108

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My prediction, that my IT department hates to hear, is that Windows is going away. Microsoft doesn't want to be Microsoft anymore; it wants to be Oracle and IBM and primarily make money off of business consulting and the cloud. I think Windows will eventually become a presentation and slowly-phased-out compatibility layer on top of Linux, similar to the way macOS became Unix, but even less different than its underlyi…

If Windows goes away, personal computing basically dies with it. Everything will be locked-down walled-garden webshit, or community-built-jank FOSS desktops that really want to be like the locked-down walled-gaden webshit experience but will say it is for the user's own good.

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