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Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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VsCode, Typescript, Github, NPM. And Microsoft doesn't even have to maintain the main runtime, Google does. What a clever strategy!

Also the new Chromium Edge is making its way. This will give some leverage on the browser front too.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

#242
in as much as I love Github, putting our eggs in one basket as developers is gonna burn us soon or later. we need redundancies in the system, that if one thing goes down, the world can go on as normal. now we're centralizing github as a single failure point. we've already seen the the panic outages of Github or S3 cause.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Sleez'n their way into our hearts. I can't say I really blame them, but god I hate it all.

What does a trustworthy Microsoft look like to you?

For most businesses, Microsoft still holds a monopoly position on desktop OSs. For a lot of smaller IT departments, this bleeds into back-end servers as well.

Microsoft has the Windows Subsystem for Linux, allowing Linux binaries to run on Windows. How about the reverse? Get WINE to the point where Linux (or FreeBSD or some fully source OS) can reliably run Windows binaries.

Along the same line, provide portable libraries to allow other office suites to reliably edit MS Office files (docx, pptx, etc). Maybe Adobe or someone will come up with a commercial competitor, instead of just LibreOffice.

Make Windows and MS Office a choice, rather than a tax businesses have to pay to be compatible with everyone else. That would go a long way to establishing trust.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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At the risk of sounding somewhat naive, I think people do have the capacity to grow over time. Perhaps part of the reason why Microsoft has seemingly turned over a new leaf in recent years is that upper management has learned from their past mistakes? I do see your point though, and I think it's stuck in the back of a lot of our minds.

Not to mention that upper management doesn't consist of the same people as 15 years ago.

Most of Microsoft's anti-trust related behavior was in the 1990s. Closer to 25 years ago. Merely a quarter of a century.

There's something hilariously farcical about holding a grudge toward Microsoft for a quarter of a century.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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I’ve been a developer for nearly 25 years. I’m not sure if there is anything MS could ever do to regain my trust. Unfortunately this seems to be the way of large tech companies. At one time I thought Google was the best thing ever (don’t be evil). Now I find that I view Google in much the same way as I do MS. A huge corrupt behemoth that needs to be broken up.

Well you certainly picked a username that reflects your views.

What do irrational numbers like phi have to do with the lack of ethics of large corporations?

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Embrace, extend, extinguish?

My prediction, that my IT department hates to hear, is that Windows is going away. Microsoft doesn't want to be Microsoft anymore; it wants to be Oracle and IBM and primarily make money off of business consulting and the cloud. I think Windows will eventually become a presentation and slowly-phased-out compatibility layer on top of Linux, similar to the way macOS became Unix, but even less different than its underlyi…

If Windows goes away, personal computing basically dies with it. Everything will be locked-down walled-garden webshit, or community-built-jank FOSS desktops that really want to be like the locked-down walled-gaden webshit experience but will say it is for the user's own good.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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I am glad that the npm team will finally have some adult supervision. Meanwhile, I almost have my team switched to yarn.

yarn v1+ or yarn v2/berry? Switching to berry has been a huge PITA over here, but I don't want to give up workspaces

> yarn v2/berry?

I had still been following 1.x

Looking at https://yarnpkg.com/advanced/migration : T-T

We have so many little modules from different teams, or even borderline abandonware, that it would take ages to make these changes, and 'yarn node'?? Just... no. How is that ever gonna work consistently with node_modules/.bin?

At this point my choices are, start contributing to yarn and npm development, or get my ass in gear on learning Elixir and Rust. I have been wondering for maybe 18 months if I might be 'done with Node'. I think I've had it backward this whole time. Node may in fact be done with me.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Very unlikely, as it would mess with backwards compatibility and cause unhappiness of users and IT departments. Microsoft still makes money selling Office and other products there.

Microsoft doesn't need to care about backwards compatibility anymore, now that Wine exists precisely to have compatibility with Windows software (including software that even modern Windows itself no longer wants to run).

> now that Wine exists

Wine is 26 years old.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

#249
I'm always worried when thing like this happen :

Critical open source entities are bought by private company. I understand the need for money and sustainability these entities need, but it's really a shame that the open source community doesn't "own" themselves.

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