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Post by js2 »

dillonmckay wrote: post #89
js2 wrote: post #30

Aside, but I want to call out Miami Dade Public Schools for being the only public school system I'm aware of that has had a contingency plan in place for years: On rare occasions it may be necessary to close a school(s) due to weather or other emergency situations. If this occurs, the district will make every effort to ensure that our students' educational opportunities continue while at home. Throughout the years, t…

Hurricane prep helps with lots of emergency scenarios, it seems.

I don't think this is hurricane prep. I was in Miami for Andrew. Hurricanes knock out power for weeks. Kids wouldn't be able to learn from home during that. I can't really think of another scenario where kids are stuck at home while infrastructure is all fine other than the one we currently find ourselves in.

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Post by graeme »

mardifoufs wrote: post #203
ncallaway wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to go ahead and call you a cynic here. Do you really think there's any way that the State of Washington will be permanently banning events over 50 people? Do you really think there's any way that the State of Washington will be permanently preventing the operation of bars, dine-in restaurants, and entertainment facilities? I'm generally pretty skeptical of creeping government powers myself, but this just...…

No, but it could normalize doing all of that in the future. Giving up rights once usually make these rights less untouchable in the future which doesn't have to mean that the current measures will be permanent.

Counterpoint: the west has had quarantine measures in its traditions for centuries, while developing the individual rights approach. We haven’t had to use them much in living memory, but they were not permanent in the past.

Quarantine has been a necessary fact of human life for centuries. We just lived in a blessed time.

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Post by nvahalik »

nullc wrote: post #183
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lives and dollars are not totally different things. How many lives will be ruined by total financial destruction? How many will commit suicide in the months and years after due to financial issues?

Even if we accept your premise, how many dollars in economic activity will be destroyed by the deaths of enormous numbers of working age people because the hospitals were overloaded and they couldn't get the critical care they needed?

Except "working age people" are pretty much not impacted by this. The massive death rates are for people with existing preconditions: heart disease, lung problems, etc. There have been no deaths with children.

Practically speaking, the only thing a "working page person" (<60) could do is unknowingly spread the virus to someone else.

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Post by derwiki »

0xEFF wrote: post #140
dang wrote: post #116

It's probably best if we aggregate these links in one place rather than having a separate thread for each new location. (Similarly to what we did at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22550840 ) NYC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589463 California ("calls for", not enforced): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587062 Others?

Ohio https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1239275883560648705...

Wow, the responses...

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Post by graeme »

npo9 wrote: post #120
jeffy wrote: post #47

This is overall a good move if we want a chance to greatly slow the spread. However it needs to be coordinated with the rest of the country if we want to minimize the total downtime. Shutting down Washington now and having to wait weeks for Idaho to follow (where there are no reported cases) is just going to force Washington to extend theirs as long as it takes for the last state to shut down.

Small nit: Boise has one recorded case. It was recorded Friday.

How many tests have they done? The spread pretty clearly seems to be all over the US at this point.

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Post by listenallyall »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #191
listenallyall wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? All the cooks are breathing the same air for an entire shift, in a smaller, hotter, enclosed area.

Right. What matters is that they’re the same set of cooks, so if an infection spreads the number of people it can spread to is limited.

No, it's not the same set, and it's not limited. Employees have different shifts, days off, vacation, callouts, etc. They all still go home after work and interact with their family. And the working conditions essentially guarantee that if one person is carrying the virus, everyone in the kitchen will get it, which is certainly not true in front-of-house.

This is a government policy that essentially tells low-paid line cooks and kitchen staff they are disposable and a lower priority than all the relatively wealthy people whose meals they are preparing.

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Post by CriticalCathed »

It has been refreshing to see the mask come off of those feigning care about "undesirables" who would be disproportionately affected by this virus. At the end of the day we come down to economic calculations to decide whether to let hundreds of thousands to millions of people die in this country.

The moral choice isn't always the most efficient one. I wonder if we will have the courage to make the moral choice?

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Post by hartator »

topkai22 wrote: post #144

When talking about economic damage it is also worth thinking about what we are trying to avoid in the US- if SARS-Cov2 gets to 60% of the population, then at a 2% case fatality rate we are looking at 4 million excess deaths. Most importantly, that is a humanitarian tragedy that we must avoid. However, having numbers also let’s us put an economic value out there for what we are trying to save. A 1% reduction in the ca…

Current total deaths are 6,000 with China already saying the worst is behind them. Why the US would have 4M deaths?

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Post by dmix »

boznz wrote: post #88

My Daughter was working as a temp between jobs and the work has now been stopped, she had two second interviews planned in Sydney this week now both positions have been retracted and nobody hiring or interviewing, she has about 7 weeks of cash savings and 4 months lease on a rental. Oh and no unemployment benefit or subsidies as she is New Zealander working in Australia. Young People at the lowest risk from this viru…

What is the "UK's answer" that's different than every other country with similar rates has done? Authorities have already denied the whole "herd immunity" meme is any sort of active policy in the UK.

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/illnesstrea...

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Post by sitkack »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #156
ncallaway wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The UK's answer to the problem is starting to look a lot more sensible than total economic chaos being caused by all other methods. The UK's answer to the problem may result in manyfold more dead than this approach. We won't be able to know until after the fact. In that state of unknown, I prefer the approach that values lives over dollars.

Lives and dollars are not totally different things. How many lives will be ruined by total financial destruction? How many will commit suicide in the months and years after due to financial issues?

We will not value the lives of people with money over those that do not. Financial loss is _not_ the loss of life. Our lives are literally the only thing we have in this universe.
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