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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ncallaway »

reedx8 wrote: post #111
Taek wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid19 is closer to SARS than the flu, and is known to cause permanent lung, kidney, and testicle damage, even in young and healthy patients. Even among young patients, the ICU rate is as high as 10%. A low mortality rate for young people assumes access to an ICU. All of New York State only has about 600 unoccupied ICU beds. If the number of infections in New York breaches 6,000, the fatality rate among young people…

Those are some important facts, thanks for sharing. I’d like to see the probability of healthy people getting permanent damage however. That would change my mind. Until then the extremely low fatality and infection rate for average people, as well as the incubation period being so long that it’s unrealistic to contain it, is enough for me not to worry about it.

"as well as the incubation period being so long that it’s unrealistic to contain it, is enough for me not to worry about it."

Remember that low-risk people still get infected, and still infect others. The evidence is fairly conclusive at this point that you're infections even if you lack symptoms, so you can easily be putting the at-risk people in your life (or in communities around you) in significant peril by being careless and thoughtless.

Please be extremely careful with this disease. If you're not going to self-isolate or be more cautious and normal, please do not visit any at-risk people in your life

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by eyegor »

cavisne wrote: post #101
eyegor wrote: post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

Such a bailout is feasible. During the financial crisis houses were physically built and purchased without enough people with the income to cover the loan. The difference here is that there is no underlying financial issue. People will still want to go to restaurants and bars after this is over, and it will end.

There may be no underlying financial issue, but percentage wise we're going down much faster. September to Oct 2008 was a 9.5% drop (steepest month drop). Past 30 days was a 20.5% drop. Tracking s&p 500.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ncallaway »

reedx8 wrote: post #83
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's categorically false. Read more, and get educated.

There’s nothing false about it. Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%, let alone the infection rate is very low as well. The incubation period is long and symptoms for most are mild, so it’s here to stay as it’s easily spreadable. I dont understand your position!

"There’s nothing false about it."

Actually many of the statements from your post were absolutely false.

"Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%"

For a typical seasonal influenza, the fatality rate for that age bracket is around 0.01%, so this is much more lethal to those people than the flue.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-...

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by o-__-o »

ken wrote: post #148
amiga_500 wrote: post #117

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Suspend rent payments

Without work, I can’t make hours to keep my health insurance, so I’ll be forced to buy COBRA, which is just as expensive as rent. (Or I could risk going without, while living at this continent’s ground zero for a pandemic.) Entire industries are being shut down. There are no easy answers here.

Helicopter money to small businesses.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

ncallaway wrote: post #113
boznz wrote: post #88

My Daughter was working as a temp between jobs and the work has now been stopped, she had two second interviews planned in Sydney this week now both positions have been retracted and nobody hiring or interviewing, she has about 7 weeks of cash savings and 4 months lease on a rental. Oh and no unemployment benefit or subsidies as she is New Zealander working in Australia. Young People at the lowest risk from this viru…

> The UK's answer to the problem is starting to look a lot more sensible than total economic chaos being caused by all other methods. The UK's answer to the problem may result in manyfold more dead than this approach. We won't be able to know until after the fact. In that state of unknown, I prefer the approach that values lives over dollars.

Lives and dollars are not totally different things. How many lives will be ruined by total financial destruction? How many will commit suicide in the months and years after due to financial issues?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by voxadam »

dang wrote: post #116

It's probably best if we aggregate these links in one place rather than having a separate thread for each new location. (Similarly to what we did at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22550840 ) NYC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589463 California ("calls for", not enforced): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587062 Others?

Oregon announcement expected Monday: https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/oregon-gov-ka...

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by mondoshawan »

enraged_camel wrote: post #76
reedx8 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relevant facts are, one, only much older people have to worry about it, and two, the cure already exists in washing yourself. This common flu is here to stay, the absolute risk to vast majority of people is extremely insignificant.

I don’t know what makes people like you go online and post this type of incorrect and harmful advice in such a smug fashion. All I can say is you need to educate yourself.

What would be a reputable source for education? I've been reading reports from the CDC and the WHO, as well as listening to microbiologists I know personally who have been studying coronaviruses for some time. I'm seeing lots of fear here, but nothing concrete. Please, educate me: what am I missing in my information feed?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by cdata »

eyegor wrote: post #152
cavisne wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a bailout is feasible. During the financial crisis houses were physically built and purchased without enough people with the income to cover the loan. The difference here is that there is no underlying financial issue. People will still want to go to restaurants and bars after this is over, and it will end.

There may be no underlying financial issue, but percentage wise we're going down much faster. September to Oct 2008 was a 9.5% drop (steepest month drop). Past 30 days was a 20.5% drop. Tracking s&p 500.

The stock market is not the economy.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by anigbrowl »

eyegor wrote: post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

At least in California, there will be guidance about evictions and the plan is to provide housing for all 108,000 homeless people. Italy has frozen many financial/property/contractual relations and it's likely that this will spread to other jurisdictions.
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