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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by cavisne »

eyegor wrote: post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

Such a bailout is feasible. During the financial crisis houses were physically built and purchased without enough people with the income to cover the loan. The difference here is that there is no underlying financial issue. People will still want to go to restaurants and bars after this is over, and it will end.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by H8crilA »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #84
awolf wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. This is the main benefit I see of having our government take these measures: making people like you realize THIS IS SERIOUS. It has "looked pretty scary" for almost two months. And no one has taken it seriously. And now we're here.

I practice extreme germ control daily. So it has nothing whatsoever to do with me not taking it seriously. I just think I am unlikely to get coronavirus because I'm a fucking hermit who works from home and doesn't touch anything and practices germ control so my genetic disorder won't kill me. Maybe read all my comments before making insulting assumptions about me. I've already talked about having CF in this thread.

> Maybe read all my comments before making insulting assumptions about me. I've already talked about having CF in this thread.

GP wasn't talking about you specifically.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by DoreenMichele »

H8crilA wrote: post #102
DoreenMichele wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I practice extreme germ control daily. So it has nothing whatsoever to do with me not taking it seriously. I just think I am unlikely to get coronavirus because I'm a fucking hermit who works from home and doesn't touch anything and practices germ control so my genetic disorder won't kill me. Maybe read all my comments before making insulting assumptions about me. I've already talked about having CF in this thread.

> Maybe read all my comments before making insulting assumptions about me. I've already talked about having CF in this thread. GP wasn't talking about you specifically.

Possibly not. Thank you for pointing that out.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by zozbot234 »

reedx8 wrote: post #83
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's categorically false. Read more, and get educated.

There’s nothing false about it. Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%, let alone the infection rate is very low as well. The incubation period is long and symptoms for most are mild, so it’s here to stay as it’s easily spreadable. I dont understand your position!

> Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%

These fatality rate estimates assume top quality medical care. And this crisis is quite simply not "here to stay"; decisive measures can definitely "flatten the curve" and perhaps even lower R0 so much that the virus stops spreading altogether, and cases start dropping towards zero.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by eyegor »

bthrn wrote: post #67
eyegor wrote: post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

This is crazy to ponder given it’s only been a couple weeks. I feel terrible about so many smaller businesses teetering close to insolvency.

It's less about insolvency and more about having a ton of savings. The entire business model is driven by customers, and they go from netting $2k/day to losing on salaries and rent. How long do you think a successful bar could survive hemorrhaging money on a daily basis, with no hopes of when customers would be allowed to return? What bank is going to write a loan that risky to keep them afloat?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by marcosdumay »

shartshooter wrote: post #70

This is a good move. We’re obviously moving slower than we ought to and only time will tell how late we are. The one thing we, in the US, have been consistent in this is that we’re too slow to act. There’s obviously a risk of the pendulum swinging the other way but until we see a down tick in cases we have to assume we’ve got ground to make up. Case growth won’t start decreasing until social distancing is widely adop…

If a country discovers the measures are too strict, it can always reduce them a little bit. The US looks like just a pair of weeks away from disaster, acting now may be enough to make that disaster brief and having the situation under control shortly after.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by philwelch »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #87
Analemma_ wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another Seattle resident here... I wonder if we're only a few days away from a Hubei/Italy-style lockdown where you can't go outside except for groceries and pharmaceuticals. Is there precedent for that in American history?

No precedent for it, and a lot of Supreme Court precedent against it. Nonetheless, as an also Seattle resident, it has dramatically changed the city through voluntary behavior of the population. This has been an incredibly destructive blow to everyone in the formerly thriving restaurant and bar industry in the city.

Citation? My understanding is that quarantine powers are well established in law. This isn’t the first epidemic.

Furthermore, the lockdown of the Boston area after the marathon bombings is a very clear and recent precedent relating to a different public safety emergency.

Worse comes to worst, I suspect we’ll see MRAPs on the streets first and any legal fallout, later.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ncallaway »

eyegor wrote: post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

Several restaurants in downtown Seattle have already closed. More will probably come over the next few weeks.

As I expect this to largely continue to be a problem through summer the tourism industry in downtown is going to be hit very hard.

The economic side of this is going to hit like a ton-of-bricks. It's going to be very painful, and we should do everything we can as a society to take care of those that are hit hardest by it.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by cavisne »

graeme wrote: post #99

Anyone found any good info on the risks of food itself. Eg kitchen staff is infected, coughs into meal 1. Do you get if it’s cold food, like a salad or sushi? 2. If yes, do you get it if it’s warm food, like indian food? 3. If yes, do you get if you reheat/microwave the food? If so, what is required/ Have not seen a lot of discussion about this. Did see that in china restaurants would certify the body temperatures of…

Would love to hear more on this. Official wording is something like “there have been no documented cases of transmission through food or food packaging” however it seems impossible to actually trace transmission anyway.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by freeone3000 »

tayo42 wrote: post #82

How long does this go on for? Realistically we can't just live with the world shut down (can we?) with a vaccine far off, this can't be the new normal?

I think we're about to find out very quickly exactly how much labor is nonessential.
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