Any thoughts about using a regular sleep apnea CPAP device for this type of situation, where one has access to the pressure settings?
I heard an Italian doctor on the news yesterday saying they were using CPAP machines on (non-ICU?) CV patients in wards.
Pandemic Ventilator Project
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The issue is that with the kind of ventilation required you need to sedate the patient with gasses and you need to recycle those gasses and unused oxygen. With the length of time patients have to be on this you don't want to lose those gasses and also pump it out into the atmosphere. The Manley design could be a good starting point I suppose, you just have to replace the weight system with controllers and add a carbo…
Physician here; this isn't true for the ventilation of COVID patients, or ICU patients in general. There's a difference between simple ventilator [1], and an anesthesia machine [2] that adds gas mixing, scavenging, etc. ICU patients are anesthetized using IV sedation (a common regimen in the US is fentanyl/propofol), not inhalational anesthetics. Most vents only have simple inline filters to reduce contamination. [1]…
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, so what is the best way, in your opinion, for a still healthy hacker/maker geek to contribute something (anything?) to helping our local ICUs from being overwhelmed with patients? Edited to add: Spoken as the Dad of a 28 week premie who spent 8 weeks on a ventilator in a NICU.
There is a manufacturer of emergency ventilators. Why they aren't working triple shifts to make millions is beyond me.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that with the kind of ventilation required you need to sedate the patient with gasses and you need to recycle those gasses and unused oxygen. With the length of time patients have to be on this you don't want to lose those gasses and also pump it out into the atmosphere. The Manley design could be a good starting point I suppose, you just have to replace the weight system with controllers and add a carbo…
Physician here; this isn't true for the ventilation of COVID patients, or ICU patients in general. There's a difference between simple ventilator [1], and an anesthesia machine [2] that adds gas mixing, scavenging, etc. ICU patients are anesthetized using IV sedation (a common regimen in the US is fentanyl/propofol), not inhalational anesthetics. Most vents only have simple inline filters to reduce contamination. [1]…
Seriously thinking about putting together a group of people to start producing these locally. Around campus we have a significant capacity in manufacturing precision mechanical devices.
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I've got an idea for a way to reduce R0 with some voluntary people tracking. I could do with some other developers to plan it. If anyone's interested, please drop me an email: rls at hwyl.org
Care to explain the downvote? It's a bit depressing trying to do something positive in the current climate.
If you have an idea to share, share it. Don't make people jump through the hoop of sending email.
If you are concerned about others stealing your idea, then your comment is essentially spam, because you're using HN as a recruiting tool to build your team. Only YC companies can do that here.
Your motivation might be something other than either of these possibilities. It's easier to downvote and stop thinking about it than to figure out your true intentions.
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#67As an anesthesiologist and hacker, I love the enthusiasm here. I’m less concerned about the hospital use-case. It would be helpful to crowdsource solutions to address the need for ventilators after patients leave the ICU. Based on current practice patterns, some patients will undergo tracheostomy tube placement, and then need to be discharged to respiratory rehab facilities. We will need to increase capacity in this…
My mother is a retired RN with an "inactive" license in Washington state. She does elder care as a side gig for individual clients.
She recently had to turn someone down because the patient was intubated; it's not legal for her to care for such a patient. If anything went wrong she could be both at risk of a lawsuit and in trouble with the state for practicing medicine without a license.
(She's also in her seventies herself, putting her in the high-risk category, but that's a different issue.)
I'm at a loss as to how our legal and licensing institutions can be adapted to allow for a quick increase in the number of personnel who can care for intubated patients.
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#68Great idea. Simultaneous to these types of home-brew projects...we also need someone (President? eCelebs? etc) to promote and organize fund raising efforts to simply buy and distribute cheap but effective ventilators. Imagine a WWII style "war bonds" effort, but instead to build and distribute say 5M ventilators over the next 6 weeks. In addition to this, we must re-purpose closed schools (gyms, cafeterias, etc) into…
"we also need someone (President? eCelebs? etc) to promote and organize fund raising" Fund raising won't help if too many people get infected. What you need right now is for those in charge to stop playing Rambo and pretend they have it in control (they don't) then grow up, tell people to stop behaving like there is nothing going on. Schools, stadiums, all non vital businesses should close and people should stay home…
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've got an idea for a way to reduce R0 with some voluntary people tracking. I could do with some other developers to plan it. If anyone's interested, please drop me an email: rls at hwyl.org
Care to explain the downvote? It's a bit depressing trying to do something positive in the current climate.
Re: Pandemic Ventilator Project
#70As an anesthesiologist and hacker, I love the enthusiasm here. I’m less concerned about the hospital use-case. It would be helpful to crowdsource solutions to address the need for ventilators after patients leave the ICU. Based on current practice patterns, some patients will undergo tracheostomy tube placement, and then need to be discharged to respiratory rehab facilities. We will need to increase capacity in this…
Anecdotally: My mother is a retired RN with an "inactive" license in Washington state. She does elder care as a side gig for individual clients. She recently had to turn someone down because the patient was intubated; it's not legal for her to care for such a patient. If anything went wrong she could be both at risk of a lawsuit and in trouble with the state for practicing medicine without a license. (She's also in h…
Where you, and fellow hackers can help, is by offering tech solutions that solve the issue of coordinating/figuring out where your mom’s skills could be most helpful. We will also need to collect information, such as when your mom is available to help. Could be a good time to revisit the concept of an Uber-like platform for healthcare delivery, assuming that it can be up an running in a few days. Hack-a-thon, anyone?