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Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

#21

Looks like they are still fining Manning $256,000.00.

Her attorneys recently said 'half million' in fines...so I'm confuzzled.

"..more than a half million dollars in fines..."

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/12/814974205/chelsea-manning-rec...

edit: downvoted why? It's an article from today, 1:44pm...

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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post #9

This is fantastic news.

Why? I'm not familiar with the facts of the case. And, I further realize that facts are almost completely immaterial to motivated reasoning about the case, but... ... assuming that you (or someone) is a straight-shooter, why is this "fantastic news"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

tl;dr she was a whistleblower facing the wrath of the people she outed

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

#23
post #9

This is fantastic news.

Why? I'm not familiar with the facts of the case. And, I further realize that facts are almost completely immaterial to motivated reasoning about the case, but... ... assuming that you (or someone) is a straight-shooter, why is this "fantastic news"?

Manning was being squeezed to get at Assange, who most people on HN agree is himself only being squeezed for geopolitical reasons. Nobody is happy to see the justice system abused for geopolitical goals, so any step away from "jail all of the dissenters and all of their supporters" is good to see.

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

#24
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I'm not familiar with the facts of the case. And, I further realize that facts are almost completely immaterial to motivated reasoning about the case, but... ... assuming that you (or someone) is a straight-shooter, why is this "fantastic news"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning tl;dr she was a whistleblower facing the wrath of the people she outed

I think she was being compelled to testify here in the Assange case, no?

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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post #3

Did something in particular change so they no longer needed her testimony, or did they finally accept her argument that she already told them what she knew and had nothing more to say? Edit: Oh I didn't see that the Assange grand jury was dismissed today!

She attempted suicide and a judge decided that she need not be incarcerated to compel her to be a witness.

That is most definitely not what the court order says.

She was dismissed because the Grand Jury had concluded today, and therefore her testimony was no longer required.

The suicide attempt wasn't even part of the discussion.

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

#27

I’ve said it before but the idea of secret courts trying to coerce people into doing things seems extremely backwards and regressive. Maybe I don’t understand this system but it doesn’t seem to be about getting justice. If there is testimony already given as well it seems doubly wrong, inconsistent and hateful.

Courts have as much to do with justice as HR departments. Both exist only to protect the higher-ups. It's not about protecting people; it's about protecting power and those who wield it.

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

#28
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I'm not familiar with the facts of the case. And, I further realize that facts are almost completely immaterial to motivated reasoning about the case, but... ... assuming that you (or someone) is a straight-shooter, why is this "fantastic news"?

Because she is being released from incarceration!?

Uhhhh, yeah. I was curious about why this is a "good thing". I think I got a response that tries to respond to that more specifically up-thread. Thank you.

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

#29

If anyone knows of a (legit) way to donate or make a payment towards her $256,000 in fines, please do share the details.

Her lawyer (https://twitter.com/chasestrangio) retweeted a link to https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/chelsea-manning-needs-...

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

#30
post #17

I'm wondering if jail is a safer or less safer place in light of the current pandemic. Let's face it, if you got your freedom after so many years only to be handed a facemask on your way out and told - you will need this. Has to suck at some level.

Being confined in an unhealthy space is a very bad place to be right now. This would be a great time to release nonviolent offenders.
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