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Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

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Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Went to two massive church gatherings while advised to isolate, gatherings with 1000 people.

It's not really a church. They're a secretive society of church corrupters spreading false teachings.

Now you’re just being intriguing... I have to know now.

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#72
post #26

Italy has an older population, hence more susceptible to deaths and spreading of the virus: - Average age of death due to Coronavirus in Italy is 82 [1] - In Italy, 3.65% of the population is 80 or older [2]. - In Korea, 1.75% of the population is 80 or older [3] [1] https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/covid-19... [2] https://www.populationpyramid.net/italy/2019/ [3] https://www.populationpyramid.net/…

3.65% / 1.75% ~ 2.09, so the difference in age profile might explain a factor 2 in the mortality ratio of Italy vs South Korea. The actual ratio is currently 7.9: 827 out of 12462 cases in Italy (6.6%), 66 out of 7869 cases in South Korea (0.84%).

The infection in Italy started in hospital or in retirement home (I don't remember which), so the first infected were people > 70.

In South Korea it started in a cult, where most people were young And the rest was South Korean lack of regard for privacy (they have a map for each case where you can trace where and when a given infected person was - so you can check if you were near him/her) and technological superiority.

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#73
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Went to two massive church gatherings while advised to isolate, gatherings with 1000 people.

It's not really a church. They're a secretive society of church corrupters spreading false teachings.

If there are thousands of people, are they really that secretive?

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#74
There's sooooo many lies being propagated by different governments on the true state of things. This afternoon I watched a live broadcast of parliament in which the minister of health claimed Belgium was doing far more extensive testing than any other country on earth. This at a time when standing instructions to medical personnel are to only test people that are already admitted to hospital because of severe pulmonary conditions. It is impossible to get a test under any other circumstance as all test request have to follow a central approvement procedure and non are approved barring these conditions.

These outright lies are propagated by the political parties that are far more concerned with 'the economy' than with any public health. It is really saddening that his is going on.

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#75
Italy got caught by surprise - they only found out that they had cases when a 38 year old (!) walked into an ER with advanced symptoms. Given that this age bracket is not commonly affected by these harsher symptoms it is clear that they had long ongoing community transmission which has now culminated in the current catastrophe.

Germany is doing a bit better in this respect, it took them 1000 cases to 'get' the first death, showing that they have caught it very very early, due to their decentralized testiing system. That said, NPI must be ramped up significantly...

The US is maybe the most troublesome target for this virus in the developed world. A healthcare system that works well for few rich cancer patients is the opposite of what you want for a disease like COVID19.

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#76

Is there any map of the spread within Italy (or any other country) region wise, so that one could see how effected different regions are, and how region wise quarantined have worked.

Italian regions and provinces (cases per 100k people)

https://imgur.com/a/Psh1gZ4

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#77
post #44

Interesting theory here is the difference in treatments using Chloroquine & Zinc Treatment Combo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M&fbclid=IwAR0GU2S...

If it's just numbers, why not post a link to text or type it up instead of linking to a YouTube video

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#78

It's been making the argument that Korea's aggressive testing has allowed them greater control over the epidemic. Of course, there are a variety of other factors at work. Italy is the second "oldest" country in the world after Japan so Coronavirus infections just would be more deadly there. Also a lot of the Korean infections were confined to a single city in Korea (though the Italian infections also had an epicenter…

age is correlated, not causal. there are simply too many other factors.

a generally compliant national attitude, combined with aggressive testing, and community-orientation probably had as much to do with south korea's success so far.

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be able to explain what did they do?

Went to two massive church gatherings while advised to isolate, gatherings with 1000 people.

I think it was on purpose,part of a doomsday cult.

Re: Italy and South Korea virus outbreaks reveal disparity in deaths and tactics

#80
post #33

> South Korea has since reported 67 deaths out of nearly 8,000 confirmed cases, after testing more than 222,000 people. In contrast, Italy has had 1,016 deaths and identified more than 15,000 cases after carrying out more than 73,000 tests on an unspecified number of people. Surely the testing is a huge factor. Test more people you'll find more people infected, so the fatality rate will get smaller. If you're like th…

i don't understand how knowing that you have the virus makes it less likely that you will die from it. There's no cure right? and at this point, anyone with a flu or cold will assume they have it and act accordingly, right?
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