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US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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post #18

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From a technical perspective, it is a simple test. Hard part is chain of custody and sample integrity - controls, etc.

Are there any differences for Covid-19 samples versus any of the other samples such labs would be routinely testing though?

Yes, it is RNA virus so it is an extra step that is not necessary in many other PCR based clinical tests.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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>In Australia almost no one with some or most of the symptoms is being tested. General Practitioners are basically telling people to fuck off, self isolate and call the hospital if symptoms worsen. This is simply false: >Here, testing is free and widely available, thanks to early and coordinated planning for a pandemic. On Thursday, Mr. Hanks said he and his wife had seen the efforts firsthand, as they tested positiv…

It’s not false because I went through this myself yesterday. Was told over the phone “don’t come in, its probably a common cold, stay at home and if symptoms worsen called the health hotline” Community forums are full others reporting similar stories https://apple.news/ASvoRONOWS9ijWX4RrGmiTQ “Currently we are not testing everyone, and whilst this may change in the future, at the moment this isn’t feasible. The press…

Sure, but many people have colds. Did you report a runny nose? Did you have a fever? If yes and no, then it's probably not COVID-19 and there's not much point testing you.

Regardless of how reasonable things seem at the moment, when it comes down to it I trust the Australian authorities and healthcare system in a way that I just don't for the US.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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post #16

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There is nothing secret about RNA testing. Any decent lab can synthetise its own markers from a file downloaded from internet. It is like genetic research is illegal in US or what.

Offering a diagnostic test without FDA approval is illegal, for good reason (there would be companies far worse than Theranos) but clearly in an emergency regulators need to adapt.

You're not considering the upside of relaxing these regulations. There are far more legitimate labs than there are theranoses.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

#34

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>In Australia almost no one with some or most of the symptoms is being tested. General Practitioners are basically telling people to fuck off, self isolate and call the hospital if symptoms worsen. This is simply false: >Here, testing is free and widely available, thanks to early and coordinated planning for a pandemic. On Thursday, Mr. Hanks said he and his wife had seen the efforts firsthand, as they tested positiv…

It’s not false because I went through this myself yesterday. Was told over the phone “don’t come in, its probably a common cold, stay at home and if symptoms worsen called the health hotline” Community forums are full others reporting similar stories https://apple.news/ASvoRONOWS9ijWX4RrGmiTQ “Currently we are not testing everyone, and whilst this may change in the future, at the moment this isn’t feasible. The press…

Colds and flu have different symptoms.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

#35

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>In Australia almost no one with some or most of the symptoms is being tested. General Practitioners are basically telling people to fuck off, self isolate and call the hospital if symptoms worsen. This is simply false: >Here, testing is free and widely available, thanks to early and coordinated planning for a pandemic. On Thursday, Mr. Hanks said he and his wife had seen the efforts firsthand, as they tested positiv…

That’s Tom Hanks by the way. You don’t think he got preferential treatment?

In Australia? Honestly, no. The public system treats everyone pretty much the same, I'm sure he had to wait in the same lines as anyone else.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In Australia almost no one with some or most of the symptoms is being tested. General Practitioners are basically telling people to fuck off, self isolate and call the hospital if symptoms worsen. This is simply false: >Here, testing is free and widely available, thanks to early and coordinated planning for a pandemic. On Thursday, Mr. Hanks said he and his wife had seen the efforts firsthand, as they tested positiv…

It’s not false because I went through this myself yesterday. Was told over the phone “don’t come in, its probably a common cold, stay at home and if symptoms worsen called the health hotline” Community forums are full others reporting similar stories https://apple.news/ASvoRONOWS9ijWX4RrGmiTQ “Currently we are not testing everyone, and whilst this may change in the future, at the moment this isn’t feasible. The press…

You don't go in to get tested if you are suspected of having coronavirus. If the management is still in the contact tracing phase, they will send someone to you to take a swab.

If you have symptomatic CV and you go to a hospital waiting room to be tested, you have done a bad thing.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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post #11

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Absolutely. Was talking with a friend who was confused about why schools in remote areas are being shut down - testing needs to be done just so people realize that it's not just Washington or New York, this is pretty much everywhere or imminently about to be everywhere in the United States.

Anyone want guess at how difficult it is to ramp up testing to a population of 320 million for a disease that didn't exist 4 months ago?

Very difficult, which is why work should have started, ahem, four months ago. Now we are, indeed, hopelessly behind.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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post #29

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1) Regulatory issues 2) The reagents needed for the testing are also in extremely short supply, and labs are having a hard time getting more. So, you can develop a test, but your testing capacity will remain limited.

Chloroform, phenol, and water are all availible in tanker car quantities.

Column based RNA purification is more reliable and more appropriate in a clinical lab. Qiagen is triple* overtiming production to meet demand.

*unscientific guess for literary effect

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Was talking with a friend who was confused about why schools in remote areas are being shut down - testing needs to be done just so people realize that it's not just Washington or New York, this is pretty much everywhere or imminently about to be everywhere in the United States.

Anyone want guess at how difficult it is to ramp up testing to a population of 320 million for a disease that didn't exist 4 months ago?

Italy and South Korea managed to scale up widespread testing and their economies are proportionately much smaller than the USA for their population.

Re: US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci

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post #7

It’s so hard to trust the media to report on anything without trying to inflame the “orange man bad” narrative. In Australia almost no one with some or most of the symptoms is being tested. General Practitioners are basically telling people to fuck off, self isolate and call the hospital if symptoms worsen. https://apple.news/ASvoRONOWS9ijWX4RrGmiTQ “Currently we are not testing everyone, and whilst this may change i…

At what point does it become OK to point out that the "orange man" is, in fact, bad? Fox news and republican leaders spent weeks (weeks that we can't get back) trying to tell people that this wasn't a problem, that they shouldn't prepare, and that this was all a partisan argument against the president. And that was all wrong. It's real, it's happening, and we've lost critical time. That's bad, right? And it's bad in…

Orange man is bad, but a stopped clock is right twice a day, and falling over themselves to deny whenever that happens has led the media to say all manner of braindead things.
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