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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
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#782Earlier quoted context omitted.
The lack of testing must be depressing the death numbers here too.
I’m not sure this is true, as the deaths from coronavirus are distinguishable based on their clinical features, as I understand it (e.g., the chest X-ray of a COVID-19 patient is readily identifiable)
Nobody is giving chest x-rays to older people here who have died, apparently of pneumonia.
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#783Earlier quoted context omitted.
My 2 cents. All reductions in (non-essential) travel are good in a pandemic. That doesn't mean it's sufficient, but it's something positive. I think we would all like to see stronger social distancing rules domestically (in the US), but here the US has a problem as it granted the President broad discretionary powers to suspend international travel but not domestic gatherings, which can't be banned via executive order…
Banning public gatherings is really something that should be done on the municipal level, maybe the state level. The federal government should not have the power to disrupt every day life from thousands of miles away.
Because the virus respects county boundaries?
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#784Earlier quoted context omitted.
My 2 cents. All reductions in (non-essential) travel are good in a pandemic. That doesn't mean it's sufficient, but it's something positive. I think we would all like to see stronger social distancing rules domestically (in the US), but here the US has a problem as it granted the President broad discretionary powers to suspend international travel but not domestic gatherings, which can't be banned via executive order…
>All reductions in (non-essential) travel are good in a pandemic. All travel is essential to somebody. All restrictions on movement also have a cost, and any analysis that only looks at the benefits of something without looking at the costs cannot hope to be correct.
> All travel is essential to somebody.
Not at all.
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#785Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…
"extremely low population density" I'm not sure the average population density across the entire country is that relevant - it doesn't tell you anything about the distribution of population. The US is actually rather an urban country - 82% live in urban areas which is more than Italy (75%): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country Edit: Also noticed that Australia is 86% and Canada 81%!
You pretty much can't compare the definition of "city" or "urban area" in different countries, so that tells you nothing.
I mean, Berlin has 3.7 million people in a city of 890 sq km. Melbourne has about 5 million people in a city of almost 10,000 km. They're incomparable, and so the urban population of Australia and Germany are incomparable. (You can play with the definitions as much as you like but you'll never be able to compare arbitrary Australian and German cities.)
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#786Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure this is true, as the deaths from coronavirus are distinguishable based on their clinical features, as I understand it (e.g., the chest X-ray of a COVID-19 patient is readily identifiable)
Nobody is giving chest x-rays to older people here who have died, apparently of pneumonia.
I'm not a clinician, but getting to the diagnosis of pneumonia usually involves imaging, as I understand it:
Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
#787Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208
Thankfully it was just a small error... Also looks like it won't affect outbound flights either?
He made several errors. He also said Europe minus the UK was banned, but it's actually the Schengen Area.
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#788Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't refuse to readmit a US citizen (as in a person that can prove that they're readily a US citizen). They can force you into quarantine and take all your stuff, but you have a right to be in the country.
Even without a passport? If I rocked up to the border of my country without a passport I'm pretty sure I'd be thrown into a detention centre if I wasn't deported on the spot.
Deported to where? :)
Yes, you cannot be refused entry as a US citizen even without a passport. You will be greatly inconvenienced, but not refused. You may be held in a detention center or holding facility until such time as your identity can be verified.
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#789Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
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A virus spreads just as easily in a crowded room in Fargo as it does in NYC. China, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong King all slowed the curve, and have rules governing their whole country.
Singapore and Taiwan are basically cities, very dense. China is a Communist country with all kinds of totalitarian policies. South Korean cases are still climbing at more than 100 a day. You can't tell precisely what the growth curve has been because there's going to be a higher bias when they ramp up testing in many countries. At any rate, no, a town that has 50 people per square mile should not be forced to respond…
The rule "no gatherings over 250 people" isn't a blanket rule. It will impact cities more than rural places. The flexibility is already built into the schema.