U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days • Hacker News Board

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by wpietri » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:35 AM UTC

egdod wrote: post #435

dlp211 wrote: post #295

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Which he didn't even win and is only there because of an anarchism in our government.

Anarchism? Hardly. It's one of the handful of intentionally anti-populist features of the Constitution, along with the existence of the Senate. He did win. The only way to say he lost is by focusing on a measure that everyone agrees isn't the one that matters.

Well, that seems a little strong. The measure used in the US is one that I don't think is used in any other democracy. Every non-American I've talked with about this believes that national popular vote is definitely the number that matters.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by bcrosby95 » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:36 AM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #176

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Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…

fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington Such as?? I'm living California, outside a major city. I don't see anything.

I have a few friends that teach at K-12 schools in California and they've all been told to figure out what platform they want to use to do teach remotely. Our local school district sent out an email to parents outlining an online teaching plan.

I don't know if they're all just being exceptionally prepared or if there's plans for a more widespread school shutdown here.

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Post by sjg007 » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:37 AM UTC

alasdair_ wrote: post #563

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I suspect UK was left off because POTUS has resorts in Ireland and Scotland, and no where in Europe. There's nothing credible about UK being off the list while every surrounding country is on it.

The UK is an Island nation with entry controls - passports are required even from the EU and there is at least token screening at the airports and docks of people with fever or other virus symptoms. Not that it’s the same thing, but being an island (so no walking traffic) and having some screening in place means that the UK simply doesn’t have certain diseases (like rabies) that are at least somewhat common in Europe…

The UK is about a week behind Europe in terms of covid 19

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Post by lazybreather » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:39 AM UTC

BryantD wrote: post #152

Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208

What about connecting flights with layover in Frankfurt?

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Post by istjohn » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:40 AM UTC

snickerbockers wrote: post #453

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> even if congress were to pass a law banning such gatherings, there would be first amendment implications Isn't there an obvious compelling state interest?

There's always a "compelling state interest" when it comes to violating the bill of rights.

Counter-example: "You may not print that--the President doesn't like dad jokes."

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Post by smileysteve » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:40 AM UTC

tunesmith wrote: post #242

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There were just 2 cases detected at the gym down the street from me. I'm in a medium town of about 40k in upstate NY. Not podunk, but hardly bustling. I'm considering the USA fully seeded at this point.

We're not really hearing any reports of unexplained deaths that might be covid deaths, and the US is advanced enough to not miss deaths like that, so one thing that might put an upper bound on how behind we are. Then again, there's a delay while symptoms progress.

Awkward, the CDC announced re attributed deaths today

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Post by Taniwha » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:44 AM UTC

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Doesn’t matter if there’s no flights or boats.

There may well be flights. Crew are exempt, so at least for slot-controlled airports it's probably worth flying anyway to keep the slot; you'll have some US citizens / permanent residents and their families, and you can fill the belly with cargo since you have spare weight. Might be worth it even for airports that aren't slot-controlled.

Here in NZ the largest airport with such slots has waived that rule for the duration meaning that airlines can reduce their flights without losing their slots (and therefore be more likely still be around to be a customer for the airport when it is all over)

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Post by nostrademons » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:44 AM UTC

guerrilla wrote: post #532

kelnos wrote: post #479

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Got a citation for those numbers? Another poster claims that the US suburb population alone is 175M, and that's roughly half the country right there. Add in the rural population (46M), and 82% urban seems not even remotely correct.

Other than the citation I gave? > The World Bank. Here's some direct links though: - https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locat... - https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locat...

Urban population includes suburbs. That 82% breaks down into 53% suburban (175M, per other poster) and 29% urban (98M).

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Post by martinpw » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:45 AM UTC

theferalrobot wrote: post #552

ajross wrote: post #185

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Only vs. China, Iran and Italy. We're within a factor of two (that is, about 5-6 days) of everyone else. A 5-6 day head start is not enough window to save ourselves with a travel ban. And just like Italy went from "contained" to a country-wide lockdown in the space of a week, so will we at this point. Those tens of thousands of cases are incubating right now and will emerge in the coming days. This travel ban does no…

>Only vs. China, Iran and Italy. What are you on about? We have fewer deaths than far more countries than that (France and Spain for instance) and per capita we are doing even better. The US has fewer deaths than the following countries per capita: Italy, Iran, China, S. Korea, Spain, France, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Albania, Lebanon, Netherlands, Belgium, Panama, Ireland, Iraq, Bulgaria, Japan, Australia, UK Country…

>> Only vs. China, Iran and Italy.

> What are you on about? We have fewer deaths than far more countries than that

You edited out the second sentence. The full quote is:

Only vs. China, Iran and Italy. We're within a factor of two (that is, about 5-6 days) of everyone else.

which is accurate.

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Post by dmje » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:45 AM UTC

We're facing this thing with at least a modicum of sensibleness in our government. You guys, with that f*tard at the wheel? Jebus, best of luck to you all. I really hope stuff sorts out.