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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by theferalrobot »

toyg wrote: post #370
scarmig wrote: post #292

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> Ugh, USA is at the moment likely on level with Europe. Probably not true, as we don't have 1000 deaths yet. Though, give it two weeks, and we'll easily have caught up (to where Europe is today).

It’s more precise to say you don’t know whether you have 1000 deaths yet, as you are not testing even dead people at the same rate as elsewhere. Washington state got “lucky” by having a pretty obvious cluster that could not be brushed under the carpet, but there are likely hundreds of other pneumonia-related deaths going on right now who might well be undiagnosed covid19.

> but there are likely hundreds of other pneumonia-related deaths going on right now who might well be undiagnosed covid19.

Let's just throw around blatant speculation, that will help.

Speculation aside that is extremely unlikely to be the case for a variety of clinical reasons

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22553193

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Post by miked85 »

jackson1way wrote: post #476

Just de-boarded and re-boarded an aircraft going to Europe from NY because of this „small“ missing „detail“ in the initial announcement. 4h delay and the people who de-boarded the plane initially, are not re-boarding because they probably left the airport by now, not knowing they had wrong information. Ouch.

The most important detail that was missed, it seems, is that this doesn't go into effect until midnight on Friday 03/13.

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Post by alasdair_ »

xtof wrote: post #537
cavisne wrote: post #484

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I suspect there will be flights, from the UK (which is why it was left off).

I suspect UK was left off because POTUS has resorts in Ireland and Scotland, and no where in Europe. There's nothing credible about UK being off the list while every surrounding country is on it.

The UK is an Island nation with entry controls - passports are required even from the EU and there is at least token screening at the airports and docks of people with fever or other virus symptoms.

Not that it’s the same thing, but being an island (so no walking traffic) and having some screening in place means that the UK simply doesn’t have certain diseases (like rabies) that are at least somewhat common in Europe.

Honestly though, the UK is one of, if not THE, staunchest ally of the US and banning its citizens would cause some minor political issues.

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Post by jbigelow76 »

MegaButts wrote: post #538
jbigelow76 wrote: post #502

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4h delay and the people who de-boarded the plane initially, are not re-boarding because they probably left the airport by now, not knowing they had wrong information. For those that live in the US and de-boarded because of this "missing detail", I wouldn't be surprised if in a week or two they don't feel like they dodged a massive bullet.

> I wouldn't be surprised if in a week or two they don't feel like they dodged a massive bullet. I'm guessing you didn't mean this to be a double negative? In other words: > I would be surprised if in a week or two they feel like they dodged a massive bullet but I suspect you meant the opposite?

Correct; it's an incorrectly worded, flippant, emotional response to my view of my country's (the US) response to the crisis and not a statement that those that are/were travelling to Europe shouldn't.

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Post by yellowapple »

gottebp wrote: post #530
yellowapple wrote: post #253

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I'm betting we've been seeded since even before Wuhan's quarantine started. My folks and I all got pretty thoroughly sick during a cruise in early January, and they're becoming increasingly convinced it was COVID (especially since my stepmom tested negative for any sort of flu, and this was well before there were reports of COVID outside of China so of course the doctors wouldn't think to test for it even if they hap…

We would have had a massive uptick in pneumonia related deaths if this was the case. If anyone has stats on that they would be an interesting look.

Best I could find is this handy interactive map/graph from the CDC: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

No "massive uptick" yet, but there are quite a few every week, so it could be that it's still blending in with non-COVID pneumonia cases.

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Post by negrit »

kelnos wrote: post #473
majormajor wrote: post #222

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There are more Americans in suburbs and rural area than in "small apartment urban" areas. https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/05/22/demographic-and-e... > About 46 million Americans live in the nation’s rural counties, 175 million in its suburbs and small metros and about 98 million in its urban core counties. > As a group, the population in rural counties grew 3% since 2000, less than their 8% growth in the 1990s.…

And hell, a decent portion of SF at least land-wise is covered in single-family homes and duplexes, many (most?) of which are decently spacious and have garages. Even in cities, Americans tend to have more space than equivalently-situated Europeans.

Common most of the houses in outer richmond, sunset, ingleside, ... have multiple in-law units and converted garages. The cost of living is too expensive in those cities.

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Post by [deleted] »

brianpgordon wrote: post #145
rubicon33 wrote: post #99

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Because the virus can spread on surfaces I think. As well as food, and organic matter.

No. From the CDC: > It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. > In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipp…

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Post by dboreham »

brianpgordon wrote: post #403
dboreham wrote: post #389

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>but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. How does it spread then? Seems hard to believe all these people are being infected through hand shakes or being coughed on.

I'm just going to quote the CDC again, because public health authorities are really the best sources of information we have and I don't want to participate in the "telephone" effect that paraphrasing begets: > The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person. > * Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet). > * Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person…

As a non-expert on coughing dynamics, it seems incredible that one person can infect 50 others by this mechanism (reported New Rochelle transmission from one patient, confirmed by contact tracing and testing contacts).

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Post by wingerlang »

Jommi wrote: post #409
guerrilla wrote: post #376

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In some places this is relevant, in other places such as Scandinavia and Germany, other than public transportation it is not.

Are you saying people have big backyards, eat loads of tskeour and order stuff online, in Scandinavia? Have you ever lived in Scandinavia?

I’d say the norm is to have a house and backyard with that. The three V’s.

I don’t think I know anyone who haven’t ended up in a house eventually tbh.

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

joe_the_user wrote: post #176
burlesona wrote: post #140

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Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…

fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington Such as?? I'm living California, outside a major city. I don't see anything.

In SF-proper, it feels like a ghost town, I'll tell you that. But just outside in Berkeley, everyone's just strumming along in their cars.
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