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Except there are already dozens of coyotes inside the fence.
If you had to fight 5 coyotes or 10, which would you choose?
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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
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#522Is there anywhere in the US where we are doing random testing of residents to determine what the real infection rate is here? From all I can see we're currently just adding up the number of people who have come in with symptoms and tested positive instead of getting a real handle on what percentage of the population is infected. The CDC website right now says that there are 938 total cases.[1] That's laughable. At th…
I would think we be able to estimate fairly correctly. I assume pretty much everyone who dies from it would end up in a hospital and counted. And since we know the death rate, we know for every 1 death there were x who have it and will/have recovered.
Except the death rate is determined by deaths/cases, which relies on counting the cases.
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#523Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208
a) is because as I understand it it's /very/ hard to legally refuse to readmit a US citizen. You can seize all their stuff at the border but besides arresting them for a crime you can't really keep them from coming home.
You can't refuse to readmit a US citizen (as in a person that can prove that they're readily a US citizen). They can force you into quarantine and take all your stuff, but you have a right to be in the country.
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#524Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. The point is to flatten the curve. https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
That has nothing to do with the question. Travel to and from doesn't lower the number of infections in the US, assuming prevalence is about equal on the two continents.
That was a direct response to the question. It's not the total number that matters, it's the rate.
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Not to mention probably there's only a small use case of going to Europe without needing to return.
US citizens can always return though. It's kind of unconstitutional to stop them from returning.
Just because citizens can legally return does not mean that doing so is viable or economical - the government has no legal obligation to make sure there are 1) flights to and from the US that 2) are affordable. Those are going to be the big issues.
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Misspoke? It was a prepared statement read off a teleprompter. Please don't excuse it like a slip of the tongue.
Are you saying it is more accurate to call it a lie?
I imagine what he meant was that the administration is now backtracking on that statement.
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Lived in Sweden for the last 15 years. Yeah, people out of cities have big back yards (people in cities have none), most workers eat out every day for lunch, shopping online (except for food) is pretty much the default. Denmark's pretty much the same. Poke around https://www.hemnet.se/topplistor
I've lived in both, and you're missing how large the difference is. Not to mention you seem to be missing the point. What the OP was saying is that americans don't eat out that much, is a very heavily home-oriented society - thats why the OP mentioned take out and delivery - not going out for lunch. And yes people out of cities in nearly all countries have big backyards, but you are missing the people have big back y…
I've lived in both as well and I don't agree. I concede that I misunderstood the takeout point though.
> you are missing the people have big back yards in the US EVEN inside city
hardly.
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You can hire a whole team of perfectly competent people and all it takes is one slip-up to ship the wrong version of a file. I have no love for the administration, but I find it frustrating that people are so eager to attribute every single error, regardless of impact, to one name. If you go back one administration and search 'Obama clarifies' on google, you find the same thing. Turns out that press machines involvin…
In a hypothetical world where our competent president and his competent staff made an occasional error, it would be reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt. This is one of three or four errors just in this address alone. An address that may literally be the most important of his presidency. It wasn't just some George W. tripping over his words, he said literally the exact opposite of what the policy actually was…
I respect your position and the desire for professionalism. I differ in regard to the expectations of people, however. Even under the best of circumstances with the benefit of a lot of time (we don't have a clue about the intelligence that triggered this, so we don't know if they put this together in a day or a week) I still expect errors. Perhaps I'm cynical, but I just assume human beings will break things and screw up whenever they are given the opportunity. In the case of the white house press corps, there's a lot of opportunity for that.
That's why Obama had to issue immediate corrections regarding troop deployments, economy, and policies. There's too many moving parts.
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There were just 2 cases detected at the gym down the street from me. I'm in a medium town of about 40k in upstate NY. Not podunk, but hardly bustling. I'm considering the USA fully seeded at this point.
I'm betting we've been seeded since even before Wuhan's quarantine started. My folks and I all got pretty thoroughly sick during a cruise in early January, and they're becoming increasingly convinced it was COVID (especially since my stepmom tested negative for any sort of flu, and this was well before there were reports of COVID outside of China so of course the doctors wouldn't think to test for it even if they hap…
We would have had a massive uptick in pneumonia related deaths if this was the case. If anyone has stats on that they would be an interesting look.