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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

squarefoot wrote: post #93
knzhou wrote: post #17

I get that they excluded the UK for diplomatic reasons, but it's literally only a few days behind the rest of Europe in terms of infection count, which means this will have almost no effect. I actually think banning travel from China months ago was a good call, but by analogous reasoning, the right time to ban travel from Europe (including the UK) was last week.

"I get that they excluded the UK for diplomatic reasons" Like extraditing Julian Assange while the world is looking elsewhere.

Don't let a crisis go to waste. Probably same reason for EARN act.

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

irq11 wrote: post #259
wbl wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until the hospitals are overloaded.

This has not happened in Korea, Japan or Singapore, and all have been dealing with the virus for longer than Europe. At some point, this scary story is going to have to be adjusted to reflect reality.

Sure, but I feel like Italy’s preparedness posture is closer to the US and they did get overwhelmed.

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Post by wnoise »

https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1237915985476227078

Note that this technically covers "having been in Europe in the last 14 days", not merely "coming directly from Europe". Enforcement of the latter is much easier, of course, and I'm sure some people will manage to sneak through by lying or customs not asking.

Also note that it's the Schengen zone, thus excluding both UK and Ireland.

Finally, it only excludes foreign nationals. US citizens should be able to return, but there's nothing stopping them from being tested and/or quarantined on return.

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Post by yellowapple »

joe_the_user wrote: post #176
burlesona wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…

fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington Such as?? I'm living California, outside a major city. I don't see anything.

School districts are closing down, for one. For example, my hometown's school district (Elk Grove Unified School District) shut down all campuses this week (but are apparently allowing athletic and academic team activities - i.e. sports - tomorrow): http://www.egusd.net/covid-19/

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Post by pottertheotter »

Scoundreller wrote: post #269
nerfhammer wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

standard procedure is to just have cargo sit in quarantine for 14 days or whatever. it's a lot less of a hassle than trying to quarantine people

Seems excessive for viruses. They live nowhere near that long outside their hosts. Even a day is a long period of time in optimal conditions, and not many situations are close to optimal.

“An analysis of 22 earlier studies of similar coronaviruses, including Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) published online this month in the Journal of Hospital Infection, concluded that human coronaviruses can remain infectious on inanimate surfaces for up to nine days at room temperature.”

https://news.trust.org/item/20200228215640-n07fz

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Post by URSpider94 »

irq11 wrote: post #259
wbl wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until the hospitals are overloaded.

This has not happened in Korea, Japan or Singapore, and all have been dealing with the virus for longer than Europe. At some point, this scary story is going to have to be adjusted to reflect reality.

It IS happening in Italy, and it definitely happened in China. The difference is that Japan, South Korea and Singapore have much more powerful nationwide governments. This allowed them to put infection controls in place much earlier than we have in the USA. It remains to be seen where we top out, numbers-wise, vs. hospital capacity.

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Post by whatsmyusername »

BryantD wrote: post #152

Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208

I mean Cheeto said it so I already assumed it wasn’t right.

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

Frost1x wrote: post #314
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just about containment, which signs point to being past us. If we slow the infection and spread it out over time, we do a couple things. Slowing it gives us time to develop tests and treatment and processes and systems to deal with it. Spreading it out over time means that at any given moment fewer people need medical care. Like, if everyone needs care tomorrow, obviously the system can't handle it, but if a…

Travel bans alone will not flatten out peak infections that are going to overload our existing healthcare infrastructure that already run at near maximum capacity during regular, non-epidemic periods. There is a lot more leadership across government (federal, state, local), private industry, and independent individuals could be doing to proactively reduce transference and even stomp out significant portions of infect…

When you say "take a well calculated hit" do you mean "let a ton of people die?"

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Post by microtherion »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #98

Honest question, is the government allowed to prevent US citizens from returning to the US?

I don't think so, for reasons of both national and international law.

However, the US is not necessarily obliged to allow any particular vessel into the country.

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Post by yellowapple »

paxys wrote: post #127
maxerickson wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't a classic case of one person can ruin it for everyone. When I choose not to go to the bar, the guy at the bar that ignored the advice about not going out in public still doesn't infect me . So less dramatically: individuals can (and will!) reduce their exposure to infected people that make poor choices. Of course the more people that do the right thing the better, but it isn't a situation where the outcome i…

Unless you hermetically seal yourself from the outside world, you are still at risk. Yes that risk can be reduced, but as more and more people are affected, your own chances go up exponentially, no matter what measures you take.

> Unless you hermetically seal yourself from the outside world, you are still at risk.

By that logic, unless you hermetically seal yourself from the outside world, you are still putting everyone else at risk.

And in either case, by that same logic, isolation apparently doesn't matter, so might as well still go to the bar.

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