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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by suchire »

brianpgordon wrote: post #145
rubicon33 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the virus can spread on surfaces I think. As well as food, and organic matter.

No. From the CDC: > It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. > In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipp…

Not sure the CDC is the most credible source at this point

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Post by jvm___ »

briffle wrote: post #154
ajross wrote: post #130

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> Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. There are tens of thousands of incubating cases in the United States already. How exactly is a few dozen sick passengers per day going to affect that at all? You'd have to literally be picking up and flying in planes full of active cases to even match what we have here already. This is insanity. No one with any expertise at all recommended it. No one serious thinks this is…

It's security theater, just like airport security screening. The politicians need to be seen doing something.

It's also on message. America First. You stop coming here. You're the problem, I alone can protect you from the bad hombres/virus people...

Don't look into yourself and see what can be fixed, always blame the other.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by ajross »

thedogeye wrote: post #160
jmull wrote: post #91

(In the USA) Is this going to accomplish anything? The virus is already here and has been spreading out-of-control for quite a while now. The only reason the numbers are still so low here is the incredibly low number of tests being done.

Deaths are also much lower in the US.

Only vs. China, Iran and Italy. We're within a factor of two (that is, about 5-6 days) of everyone else. A 5-6 day head start is not enough window to save ourselves with a travel ban.

And just like Italy went from "contained" to a country-wide lockdown in the space of a week, so will we at this point. Those tens of thousands of cases are incubating right now and will emerge in the coming days.

This travel ban does nothing.

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Post by Proziam »

knzhou wrote: post #168
Proziam wrote: post #164

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FOR CLARITY - I'm not saying that there isn't a need to take measures to protect people. However, I do believe that a lot of inaccurate information is being presented. The public attention on this subject is enormous, making it a ripe topic for the media to profit from alarmist headlines. [0]The source of the 40%-70% figure has since dramatically altered their estimates, and added several qualifiers. [0] https://twit…

He lowered it from 40-70% to 20-60%, hardly a qualitative change. The fact is that under essentially any epidemiological model, if you have R0 > 1 and no countermeasures, it's going to hit a sizable fraction of the world population, because the exponential growth only gets stopped by running out of victims.

Please read the entire source.

> Summary: Should have said 40-70% of adults in a situation without effective controls.

There's an enormous difference between 40-70% of everyone and 20-60% of adults - specifically if no countermeasures are deployed.

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Post by JDiculous »

taiwanboy wrote: post #158
JDiculous wrote: post #37

This is insane. What are the chances of this happening for Asia? I'm currently in Asia and it would be unfortunate to not be able to return home.

US is closer in blood to Europe and it shut down travel form Europe. Asia would be an easy/quick call for this administration.

Why haven't they done it in Asia yet then since Coronavirus originated from and is more severe there?

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Post by rwcarlsen »

I am beginning to strongly suspect that supply chain disruption caused by government decisions is going to cause way more damage to the world than this virus ever could have on its own. I think more people making these decisions could benefit from a good deep reading of Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations".

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by misiti3780 »

negrit wrote: post #171
dcolkitt wrote: post #114

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On the other hand, Americans have much larger and more comfortable homes than Europeans. Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store. Very few people use public transportation regularly. Most people have private back yards. Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru. More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves a…

> Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies No they don't. No one in NYC, Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, ... have big garages to stockpile supplies and most of the US lives in those big cities with apartments without garages. In the suburbs they do but that's a minority of the population.

That is correct, but most people dont live in cities here. As of 2010, the top 10 cities had 24MM:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_i...

People in the suburbs do have big garages (think long island vs manhattan)

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