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Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Edit: edit. Much better take.

Was there some ninja edit that occurred here? I’m looking at both your comments fresh, with OPs only 5 minutes old, and I don’t see the word ‘nationalist’ anywhere.

Yes. The original comment was dismissive and rude. I'm not sure how it wasn't down-voted to oblivion.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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"It's better to be in a bad deal with good people, then a good deal with bad people"

China MFG was/is not a deal with the Chinese people. It's a deal with the CCP. Those of us who always understood this aren't surprised by any of this. We never expected China to be able to manage domestic risk well and we watched helplessly as they exported that risk abroad in the form of pollution, SARS, contaminated products and more. You may not be a citizen of China, but you're almost as impacted by their decisions. This is worth pondering.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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The supply chains that you rail against have successfully delivered the greatest levels of prosperity to the largest number of humans in all of history. They were created not by some mysterious force, but by individuals making rational choices about how they want to allocate their time, their energy and their resources. The "suicidal deindustrialization" you refer to is the result of people making informed choices th…

Honestly you're coming off far more extremist than OP is. OP's just arguing that in times of strife, we could potentially suffer because of a lack of self-reliance. He has a valid point, and should another even worse and longer lasting zoonotic(or any kind) disease spur up again, do you honestly think it's a good idea to make no steps towards developing emergency self-reliance systems in case of catastrophe? What abo…

As someone who thinks both parent comments have a point, I don’t really think they’re putting words in OP’s mouth at all. I think the interpretation that OP really seemed to suggest that we should bring it all home is a valid one. And I get it. I agree with you. There’s probably some things we should make here that we don’t. It’s becoming very clear that wholly interdependent Globalism isn’t a cure all, utopian destination for the future. But at the same time, I think the above post has at least some credence to it. There’s a reason people chose this. Perhaps it’s just the tone that makes it so off putting?

Edit: it’s been pointed out to me that the above comment was thoroughly edited after posting, which puts this into better context. Sorry about the confusion

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Pretty sure the downvotes are for ignoring the elephant in the room, if we have a prolonged recession a lot of people in the US are completely fucked from losing healthcare and from losing the paycheck that they depend on. Most Americans do not have an emergency fund.

I'd like to think that if there is a recession, there are still the same number of people , and there are still the same number of hospital beds . Hospitals will just reduce their prices, because it's preferable to do that than leave beds empty.

The problem isn't admittance or treatment the problem is the bill that comes in the mail 6 months later, as well as massive decline in spending, decline in social interactions, decline in nutritional choices, and the injection of the 2020 political circus towards the end of the year (in the US).

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there some ninja edit that occurred here? I’m looking at both your comments fresh, with OPs only 5 minutes old, and I don’t see the word ‘nationalist’ anywhere.

Yes. The original comment was dismissive and rude. I'm not sure how it wasn't down-voted to oblivion.

Got it. That makes more sense. Thanks!

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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I'd really like to start seeing less of this sort of comment on Hacker News. It's not even close to literally true.

What part? “This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks” That’s the same as the USA refusing to test everyone in sufficient quantities right? South Korea is testing 10k per day, has the US completed even 10k tests yet? “let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city” That’s every state apart from perhaps 1 section on NY city and small parts of Seattle. “doctored numbers” Thats the refusing to test thi…

Yeah, I'm starting to think the disinformation campaigns are starting to affect HN now.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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The US is literally doing the exact same thing right now.

I'd really like to start seeing less of this sort of comment on Hacker News. It's not even close to literally true.

Just breaking: White House orders federal health officials to treat coronavirus planning as classified, something that has never been done for public health emergencies.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrec...

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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This is the cruel and predictable result of a society that has meticulously and senselessly offshored/outsourced most its industrial capacity. If your country can't manufacture, from raw materials , all the electrical/electronic/mechanical components, the tooling, the equipment, and the chemicals (industrial and pharmaceutical alike) it needs to keep everything running, you're dependent on these hyper-fragile and con…

The supply chains that you rail against have successfully delivered the greatest levels of prosperity to the largest number of humans in all of history. They were created not by some mysterious force, but by individuals making rational choices about how they want to allocate their time, their energy and their resources. The "suicidal deindustrialization" you refer to is the result of people making informed choices th…

And I honestly do want a $400 sweater if we have a prospering manufacturing business. How many people stuff their house with clothes that they wear only once? How many people buy toys that their kids play only a few times? How many people hav a whole closet of shoes? Why do we have twice as large of closet room compared with people living in the 50s? Why do people just have to buy clothes every quarter, every month, every week? People around the world seem have been consumed by modern consumerism.

If people around me can get decent jobs because of local manufacturing, if US can keep developing talents in mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, and material engineering, hell yeah, bring me the $400 sweater.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Trying to claim that the United States has some moral high ground above China is laughable. China has certainly committed plenty of human rights violations, but so have plenty of Western nations.

Who made that claim?

This whole thread? The basis of the argument is that China is authoritarian regime that we should not be doing business with.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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What part? “This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks” That’s the same as the USA refusing to test everyone in sufficient quantities right? South Korea is testing 10k per day, has the US completed even 10k tests yet? “let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city” That’s every state apart from perhaps 1 section on NY city and small parts of Seattle. “doctored numbers” Thats the refusing to test thi…

The difference is that in the US all of this is due to incompetence, but given the nature of our laws and society people are free to point out the shortcomings of the response. In China you are publicly admonished and/or disappeared for going against the official government narrative. That is a stark difference between not just Western/Chinese government, but culture, and cannot be underestimated. It leads to a total…

>The difference is that in the US all of this is due to incompetence

I wouldn't be so sure. Trump's stock market is his best argument for re-election. It's very reasonable to think he would want to downplay anything that could disrupt the economy in the run up to the election.

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