A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic • Hacker News Board

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by mnm1 » Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #6

Seems like focusing on blaming individuals rather than: - Employers don't allow telecommuting. - Employers with draconian sick leave policies. - No paid sick leave for the majority of jobs (and or strict limits). - Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 (Vs. a common cold). Which is significant with e.g. Walmarts new policies which ONLY allow Covid-19 paid sick leave. Ultimately we set up a system whe…

Who is blaming here? This is a movement by the concerned for everyone. Our government is the one that has completely failed us, not just employers. Employers are expected to fail us. Every one of the issues above could be solved by a government that wanted to stop this. But no, it's a hoax to our government. Or whatever dumb shit idea they are on now. If anything, that's who the blame is falling on implicitly in this article and rightfully so. The response has been a disaster, especially in the US. After this, the only good thing that can come if it is if these scumbags get the virus themselves and it runs its course. That's the policy they are pushing anyway. So it's up to people to do what they can in the face of almost complete government inaction on the problem. What else can we do? Expect employers to fix it? It's amazing what has been done so far by then has been done without coercion. We should congratulate any steps taken voluntarily by the business sector.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by jpg_converter » Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

I'm curious about the 2% death rate number. How can we rely on this number if test kits are in such limited supply and the rate of "Severe" symptoms is only 15%? Is the death rate only calculated out of known cases? do we only know about the severe cases?

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by stareatgoats » Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 5:55 PM UTC

ancarda wrote: post #48

For many years now, I have - 5 times a week - left a building with a computer and Internet access to travel for an hour or more to a building with a computer and Internet access to talk to my colleagues - almost exclusively over Slack and GitHub - for many hours, before traveling back to the same building I left earlier that day. Often, I carry the computer I used throughout the day with me. Apparently working from h…

Any day now, any day now, we shall be released.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by tomjen3 » Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:22 PM UTC

pqs wrote: post #12

The page lacks something about how to deal with kids. That's a huge point for those of us that have toddlers and kids at home.

Don't parents generally just hand them an ipad?

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by tomjen3 » Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:23 PM UTC

hyperbovine wrote: post #7

livealife wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wanted to put it blunt. And hence such a name...

"Blunt" just comes off as puerile. Why should I take you seriously when you talk like a teenager.

Because it is not about who says it, but about the truth value of it - and the simple fact is that you probably do know some old people you would like to keep alive.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by mygo » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:09 AM UTC

tmountain wrote: post #78

mcv wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US they do. The US has a long history of censoring this and a couple of other words.

People aside, there are lots overly aggressive firewalls that will block any domain with the word "fuck" in it.

bad news for the church of uckerland

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by mygo » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:13 AM UTC

jpg_converter wrote: post #102

I'm curious about the 2% death rate number. How can we rely on this number if test kits are in such limited supply and the rate of "Severe" symptoms is only 15%? Is the death rate only calculated out of known cases? do we only know about the severe cases?

They do not say death rate, but they do mention the case fatality rate, which is exactly what it sounds like, and as you have described.

It’s the number of people who have died, of the known cases. Not everyone who is infected becomes a case, for one reason or another. Maybe their symptoms did not arouse enough concern, or maybe testing was refused to them since they didn’t fit an erroneously narrow list of testing requirements.

Another thing to keep in mind is that people calculating the CFR from public data on a napkin typically don’t distinguish between survivors and those who just haven’t died yet. So the other side of the CFR (the people who haven’t died) tends to include both the known survivors and will-be-survivors, as well as the people who are in the ICU hanging on for dear life and could be dead tomorrow.

For this reason, unless it explicitly states that it’s only counting survivors and deaths, the CFR is more reliable once the spread has began to decline, when there are fewer new cases each day than the day before.