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Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by mjburgess »

paulmd wrote: post #30
vorpalhex wrote: post #2

A lockdown is obviously not an enjoyable thing, but it is necessary to flatten the curve [^1] and it's downsides are less severe then it's benefits if done correctly. Keep this in mind as the situation continues to evolve. Stock things in your house which bring you joy (good food, games, good books) and do your best to spread confidence to others around you. If you have enough space to get in some exercise, even if i…

edit: fair I'll retract this

Assuming its the same person as https://tislab.org/jmcmurry.html (seems quite likely) then she's both well-informed about GSuite and public health.

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Post by saagarjha »

bonzini wrote: post #35
dysosmia wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would probably be in bad taste to theme it so...on the nose, but I'd believe that it's a good time to be releasing a fresh game right now. It's certainly a terrible time for games in development, with work collaboration maybe disrupted and with all the big publicity events getting cancelled, and it's a bad time for other media that bank a lot on physical releases (e.g. theatrical releases for movies getting pushed…

I don't think it would be in bad taste if it's clearly hyperbolic and perhaps it is coupled with informational messages. PornHub is famous for doing this. There's also a funeral services company in Rome whose death-themed ads have become a meme ("don't worry antivaxers, we will always be ready to help if you die"), we love it. :-)

Antivaxxers are generally not liked very much; it’s fairly “safe” to make fun of them. Doing so for coronavirus when people have family members who may have it is significantly less so.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by svara »

mrb wrote: post #26
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worked elsewhere so there is good reason to hope that it will work in Italy as well. It sucks that we have to wait five days to find out though. What I wouldn't give for a crystal ball right now.

A lockdown has worked in only one place: China. And it worked because the measures were extreme: not allowing people to leave their homes (except once a week to go shopping), banning cars on the roads, closing workplaces, etc. No country is implementing measures nearly as extreme as China, so they won't be as successful in slowing down the epidemic. Before someone mentions South Korea: Korean CDC explained their epid…

The crucial thing is that the daily growth rate in South Korea averaged over the last 7 days is 1.05 and sinking, a far cry from the stable ~1.33 average in European countries with significant outbreaks.

It's outrageous to me that you are still commenting on this after so many people here debunked you (and were thoroughly proven right by now) when you were claiming apocalyptic CFR numbers.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

mrb wrote: post #26
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worked elsewhere so there is good reason to hope that it will work in Italy as well. It sucks that we have to wait five days to find out though. What I wouldn't give for a crystal ball right now.

A lockdown has worked in only one place: China. And it worked because the measures were extreme: not allowing people to leave their homes (except once a week to go shopping), banning cars on the roads, closing workplaces, etc. No country is implementing measures nearly as extreme as China, so they won't be as successful in slowing down the epidemic. Before someone mentions South Korea: Korean CDC explained their epid…

It's true that it's only really worked in China so far, at least only that we know of positively. But there is also some research coming out suggesting that some of the measures China took were more effective than other ones. In any case, I said there is a reason for hope, not a reason for certainty. We will see how effective Italy's measures are.

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Post by 0xffff2 »

svara wrote: post #43
mrb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lockdown has worked in only one place: China. And it worked because the measures were extreme: not allowing people to leave their homes (except once a week to go shopping), banning cars on the roads, closing workplaces, etc. No country is implementing measures nearly as extreme as China, so they won't be as successful in slowing down the epidemic. Before someone mentions South Korea: Korean CDC explained their epid…

The crucial thing is that the daily growth rate in South Korea averaged over the last 7 days is 1.05 and sinking, a far cry from the stable ~1.33 average in European countries with significant outbreaks. It's outrageous to me that you are still commenting on this after so many people here debunked you (and were thoroughly proven right by now) when you were claiming apocalyptic CFR numbers.

>It's outrageous to me that you are still commenting on this after so many people here debunked you (and were thoroughly proven right by now) when you were claiming apocalyptic CFR numbers.

There seems to be some missing context here. What are you talking about?

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by witrak »

mrb wrote: post #26
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worked elsewhere so there is good reason to hope that it will work in Italy as well. It sucks that we have to wait five days to find out though. What I wouldn't give for a crystal ball right now.

A lockdown has worked in only one place: China. And it worked because the measures were extreme: not allowing people to leave their homes (except once a week to go shopping), banning cars on the roads, closing workplaces, etc. No country is implementing measures nearly as extreme as China, so they won't be as successful in slowing down the epidemic. Before someone mentions South Korea: Korean CDC explained their epid…

The really good analysis: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-peop...

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by mariushn »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #22
inciampati wrote: post #11

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The risk is that this lockdown isn't sufficient to modify the progression of the epidemic. Then it will probably have to be modified. Presumably, most transmission is happening in social settings and closed environments. These measures should mitigate that. The change in social behavior would suggest it's working. We'll find out in five days or so if this is working.

It's worked elsewhere so there is good reason to hope that it will work in Italy as well. It sucks that we have to wait five days to find out though. What I wouldn't give for a crystal ball right now.

It worked in China because they really enforce drastic measures. People must stay at home, everybody outside wears a mask (they're made in China, we don't have any), streets, transport & supermarkets are disinfected daily, people who leave hospital have even clothes disinfected etc.

Nothing like this happens in EU or USA :(

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by scotty79 »

psk76 wrote: post #25
scaglio wrote: post #8

Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. The real problem is in the hospitals, and for some enterprises who will really have a loss in these weeks (everything about tourism, for example). One of the biggest downsides is that people are not allowed…

Modern media is really doing more harm than good. Elevating threat perception for everything has become a daily occurance. One day it's North Korea nukes. Another day it's Russians. Another it's Iran. Another day it's climate, #metoo, immigrants, shooters etc etc. I grew up at a time where the threats were even worse but we weren't surrounded by unqualified people falling over each other inducing anxiety in everyone…

In case of this pandemia exaggeration can have positive influence because people have natural tendency to underestimate how easily common cold and flu spreads.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by AstralStorm »

SilasX wrote: post #38
saagarjha wrote: post #32

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Presumably people realize why it’s in place and how it benefits them?

I realize I shouldn't be touching my face, but it's so automatic that I have to keep stopping myself and it's a constant battle.

Time to cover it with a nanosilver gel mask then. Should somewhat disinfect your hands too. ;)

(I'm half serious there, if the mask was fabric or plastic, it'd be safe, otherwise nope.)

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Post by jaclaz »

mbrameld wrote: post #40
jaclaz wrote: post #9

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Well, no. Again, we are not talking of old friends, we are talking of strangers. Even in the south (I lived in sicily almost 15 years) it is not at all common.

Why are we talking about strangers when the context was a restaurant manager greeting customers? Every decent restaurant that's been open for any length of time has a large number of regular customers.

And - again - regular customers are NOT normally hugged or kissed by the restaurant manager as a "standard" form of greeting, UNLESS they are - besides regular customers - also "friends" (and even that is not "common").
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