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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by pfdietz »

hef19898 wrote: post #644
ghego1 wrote: post #640

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I am from Italy and every single friend of mine working in healthcare as a doctor has confirmed me that the situation is like the one described here. A friend of mine who is an orthopedist outside lomdardia has also confirmed that they have already asked him to work extra hours and they are already at full capacity, so he's preparing to assist covid patients. Personally I know a girl whose soon-to-be husband from zer…

So doctors work overtime during situations like this. Surprise. My problem with these reports is that they have a tendency to spread fear, especially the way the are presented. They also undermine trust in public information which only makes it harder to implement measures, in turn making it harder to contain the virus.

May I suggest you suppress the internal panic that is leading you to deny reality?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by bluGill »

pjc50 wrote: post #617
drclau wrote: post #517

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They don’t need an understanding of exponential growth, they only need to look at examples: China, extreme measures and barely contained it; Italy delayed measures, turning fast into a disaster. How many examples do we need?

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Modern left wing politics has no interest in facts except the ones they can cherry pick to attack the president...

Get your political blinders off. Both sides will twist any fact to attack the other.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by pfdietz »

raxxorrax wrote: post #667
saiya-jin wrote: post #654

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> If this is over in June and 100,000 people died, what would we call this? It would just be another disease probably. More like few millions in US alone, based on what happened in Italy which is more representative than China. Italy has >4% mortality rate last time I checked. And we talk about very well equipped and highly rated healthcare. I can't imagine this not having brutal effects on global economy. Another po…

This is completely debased. You don't have reliable info on recoveries, infections or death rate. Currently around > so re-infection is probable. I have the info the virus is not inclined to mutate. But it is just too early to tell.

The lack of mutation is both good and bad. It means the virus is less likely to get worse, but also means the virus is less likely to mutate to a less lethal form that would likely still provide some immunity to the more lethal one. On the brightest side, it may mean that we're not going to see waves of new infection each year like we do from influenza.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by RHSeeger »

ALittleLight wrote: post #419
muyuan wrote: post #296

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I am a Chinese living in Bay Area. What's described by the Italian doctor was exactly like the situation in Wuhan right after the lockdown for the first 2-3 weeks. Unfortunately, I think it will hit Italy harder this time, China locked down Wuhan but every other provinces send in supplies and doctors to help, just building new hospitals is not enough, and I don't see France/Germany doing the same to Italy. The US res…

I am extremely disappointed in the American government on this. We have had a significant warning and we've seen the virus in multiple countries and the response has been so lackluster. Why should we wait 20 days for things to get terrible before going to quarantines and lock down? Surely China and Italy have shown us our future. I partly think the problem is political. If you quarantine and the virus is controlled,…

> I partly think the problem is political. If you quarantine and the virus is controlled, then it looks like you panicked over nothing, because you took this huge reaction and nothing much happened.

While I don't agree with the US's lackluster response, bear in mind there's other repercussions besides "just political". The quarantines and shutdowns will almost certainly destroy a lot of people's livelihoods. From people that aren't getting paid so can't pay their bills, to small business owners that will lose their businesses because they can't pay their bills. The effects of even a 1 week shut down can expect to be massive, and impact exactly the people who are already most struggling financially.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by bluGill »

grey-area wrote: post #669
makomk wrote: post #636

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The "U.S. pandemic response team" that article is talking about were White House staff, part of the Trump administration rather than the non-partisan bureaucracy. The actual, on-the-ground organisations and bureaucracy involved in pandemic response - the stuff most people would probably think of as the pandemic response team and that the comment I'm replying to seems to suggest should be in charge - is still there. T…

So you're saying that the administration which refuses to admit Coronavirus is a problem, which a year ago let go its entire pandemic coordination staff, which has proposed a 16% cut to CDC funding, and which today ordered immigration judges to remove CDC posters aimed at slowing the outbreak has nothing to do with the terrible response, and it should all instead be blamed on the officials at the CDC? The executive a…

The administration has put the vice president in charge. What is said publicly does not match actions - as is typical for this administration (or any other administration though this is more blatant about it)

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by hef19898 »

coldtea wrote: post #709
hef19898 wrote: post #657

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Ok, so you suggest every single person in Germany to be quarantined. Whether they have symptoms or not. Now that's what I call an over reaction.

Well, let's just wait for a million dead like they expect in Italy then... that would be a proper, timid, reaction...

Please, stop throwing around totally fake numbers like that.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by silvester23 »

rorykoehler wrote: post #608
voqv wrote: post #592

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In Germany a friend of mine refused to go to a meeting at a client's office where someone tested positive and HR threatened him because he was violating his employment contract.

Am in Germany. Everyone is acting like nothing is happening. It's infuriating.

I have a very different experience. I see lots of hand sanitizer everywhere, people are washing their hands constantly, my employer has relaxed rules for working from home (i.e. do it as much as you feel is feasible and reasonable), some schools are closed, people generally avoid crowded trains and buses.

This is in NRW, however, where we have by far the most confirmed cases in Germany. Might be different in other places.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by hef19898 »

Tainnor wrote: post #736
zapita wrote: post #650

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Oh no! The toilet paper craze. That is absolutely the biggest threat we are facing right now. Not the complacency on display everywhere.

In Germany (and probably other places too), people are stealing masks and desinfectant from hospitals - places where this is really needed. I think this is a big issue and it needs to be addressed.

This, not this toilett pper issue, is why panic is bad. Toilett paper hording just is a great early sign from from the more serious stuff happening as well.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by hef19898 »

pfdietz wrote: post #741
hef19898 wrote: post #644

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So doctors work overtime during situations like this. Surprise. My problem with these reports is that they have a tendency to spread fear, especially the way the are presented. They also undermine trust in public information which only makes it harder to implement measures, in turn making it harder to contain the virus.

May I suggest you suppress the internal panic that is leading you to deny reality?

Stop projecting, ok? We are following the guidelines. No unnecessary travel, frequent hand washing, keep physical contact like hand shaking down.

We also have quite some stock of necessities at home, but that isn't any different from, say, last November or any other random months before the virus outbreak. Is it serious? Sure it is. Are we at Black Death levels? NO, and nobody says we ever will be there. I am also rather happy with the general way authorities are handling the situation. Sure, it could be improved here and there, especially at the messaging and side and by aligning policies.

Two things to note so: - When you are not old without any preconditions, your personal risk of complications is rather low. And no, I don't care about one guy being interviewed by whom ever. - Even during the Black Death panic didn't help

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by jdietrich »

Thlom wrote: post #500
standardUser wrote: post #422

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The US is probably a much larger vector than we realize. The testing rate is the lowest in the world and Americans travel like mad. Who knows how many undiagnosed Americans have been globe trotting over the last couple weeks?

And you have millions without basic access to healthcare, meaning they will go around untreated passing the virus along to their fellow citizens.

Also no statutory entitlement to sick pay, so many people will drag themselves into work because they can't afford to take time off.
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