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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by rorykoehler »

hef19898 wrote: post #631
rorykoehler wrote: post #625

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I'm in Berlin and people are making zero effort to alter their usual patterns.

As of yesterday, Berlin is no way a risk zone as of now. So why should they? Doesnt mean you can't change your behaviour, so.

That is an incredibly short sighted view. We need to be proactive not reactive. This virus is here and it's here in a big way. Positive cases are not the full picture. Median incubation period is 5 days. Italy is a warning and we're not taking it. We should all be in quarantine now so this doesn't get out of hand rather than wait for it to become uncontrollable and then trying to de-escalate it.

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Post by netsharc »

bArray wrote: post #258
Reason077 wrote: post #242

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Rice and a good rice cooker. Plenty of big 4.54kg packs of California-grown Nishiki rice on the shelf in Sainsbury's last time I checked. I like pasta too, but don't eat as much as I used to. Rice is so versatile!

> Rice and a good rice cooker. I like rice, but am concerned by the number of people who don't wash it (arsenic) [1]. Then you have the issue of reheating/leaving to cool [2]. With the amount of idiocy going around it seems like a massive risk. Pasta is very difficult to mess up, worst case you're just going to get some crunchy or over-boiled pasta. [1] https://www.recapo.com/the-doctors/the-doctors-diet/the-doct...…

After researching it, the arsenic isn't "fake news", and I would trust the BBC to actually have asked real experts [1], [2], and their recommendation is:

> Now, some ways of cooking rice reduce arsenic levels more than others. We carried out some tests with Prof Meharg and found the best technique is to soak the rice overnight before cooking it in a 5:1 water-to-rice ratio.

> That cuts arsenic levels by 80%, compared to the common approach of using two parts water to one part rice and letting all the water soak in. Using lots of water - the 5:1 ratio - without pre-soaking also reduced arsenic levels, but not by as much as the pre-soaking levels.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-38910848 [2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2F1MDzyW55pg97Tdpp...

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by hef19898 »

Lewton wrote: post #643
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No, panic is making it much more difficult to implement counter measures. It also takes away crucial man power from fighting the disease to fighting the panic. And finally, panic makes it harder for health care professionals to actually care for patients. So no, panic never helps. Staying calm and level headed does. But if you want to panic, do it. But do it in private, panic itself is rather contagious as well. Mayb…

> No, panic is making it much more difficult to implement counter measures. Here in Denmark, where we're seeing an outbreak take hold, it's the EXACT opposite. People are going out even though they have been told to self-quarantine, even boarding planes. A couple refused to cancel a vacation trip even though they had been asked to quarantine because their son has been diagnosed with the virus. I really think we could…

I would call it more common sense, but yeah.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by saiya-jin »

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I am a Chinese living in Bay Area. What's described by the Italian doctor was exactly like the situation in Wuhan right after the lockdown for the first 2-3 weeks. Unfortunately, I think it will hit Italy harder this time, China locked down Wuhan but every other provinces send in supplies and doctors to help, just building new hospitals is not enough, and I don't see France/Germany doing the same to Italy. The US res…

I don't have this impression. Many nations are trying to find a cure or a vaccine. Nobody knows the long term development of this virus. You could lock up everything, the economy collapses and it would hurt people even more than the virus might have. It is a gamble at this point. Political games come into play if people demand answers that nobody can give. If some presume to be able to do that, they are lying to your…

> If this is over in June and 100,000 people died, what would we call this? It would just be another disease probably.

More like few millions in US alone, based on what happened in Italy which is more representative than China. Italy has >4% mortality rate last time I checked. And we talk about very well equipped and highly rated healthcare. I can't imagine this not having brutal effects on global economy.

Another point - unless we have proper fully working cure / vaccine, this ain't going anywhere. June ain't some magical time when virus decides to roll back because enough is enough. Southern hemisphere will keep the virus going on through our summer, so it will come back in autumn.

An additional point - this might be early to judge but it seems immunity is not gained after recovery, so re-infection is probable.

There are more points, like its high infection rate etc.

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Post by rglullis »

hef19898 wrote: post #631
rorykoehler wrote: post #625

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I'm in Berlin and people are making zero effort to alter their usual patterns.

As of yesterday, Berlin is no way a risk zone as of now. So why should they? Doesnt mean you can't change your behaviour, so.

"Most turkeys in farms are super happy, healthy and fat until some days before Thanksgiving. Why should they act like they could be slaughtered?"

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Post by LeanderK »

Since the mortality for younger people seems to be quite low I wonder, given the serious circumstances, whether it would be useful to give some (maybe volunteers?) medical staff in endangered regions "controlled" exposures to corona-virus so that the hospitals don't have a staffing problem due to sick doctors/nurses if a serious outbreak happens.

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Post by hef19898 »

rorykoehler wrote: post #651
hef19898 wrote: post #631

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As of yesterday, Berlin is no way a risk zone as of now. So why should they? Doesnt mean you can't change your behaviour, so.

That is an incredibly short sighted view. We need to be proactive not reactive. This virus is here and it's here in a big way. Positive cases are not the full picture. Median incubation period is 5 days. Italy is a warning and we're not taking it. We should all be in quarantine now so this doesn't get out of hand rather than wait for it to become uncontrollable and then trying to de-escalate it.

Ok, so you suggest every single person in Germany to be quarantined. Whether they have symptoms or not. Now that's what I call an over reaction.

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Post by LoSboccacc »

ithkuil wrote: post #629
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most people outside of the previous red zone is uncaring about the new emergency restrictions step 1 should have been to bring military in the streets to enforce the thing, because police is both decimated by the virus and overwhelmed from the new responsibilities and cannot handle what's happening

perhaps there is no need to go to extremes. Where I live I already have to provide my babysitter a signed letter where I certify that she comes to work here. She's from a different township (comune) and the police could fine her if caught without that document. It's not going to stop 100% of people from moving around, but even it this reduces the spread by a few % it's already a big improvement; even reducing the dai…

lol I'm not advocating treating it as a war zone, just calling in the military to do police work

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Post by akie »

hef19898 wrote: post #603
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Why are you denying the spread and severe impact of this virus? Do you think they quarantined the whole fucking country for fun?

I am not denying that. I am simply worried when I see alarmist posts, uncorborated, that have the tendency to spread panic. That's why call out every twitter thread like that when I come accross them. In this case it was a guy you referenced a friend of his. So uncorborated. Bad reporting, plain and simple.

What you are doing is very dangerous. People need to be aware of what is about to hit them so that they can prepare. Calling into question second-hand reports as "unreliable", even though this particular twitter thread is completely unremarkable and in line with many other reports, makes people wonder if this whole Corona thing is nothing more than hot air. It's just super irresponsible to give people that impression.

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Post by soneil »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #318
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> Another interesting thing I have just noticed is that some journalists are now openly praising the Chinese handling of the crisis. I think this is a very interesting effect. China has a fantastic ability to mobilize as one when needed. The vast majority of the time, the insane amount of control this requires, is something we're simply not comfortable with giving to governments. But sometimes, just sometimes, the re…

>What makes China feel alien to us is that this is their default stance. Isn't having a massive military Americas default stance as well?

An entirely accidental comparison - I recently finished a series of novels set in the US's pacific fleet during ww2, so that was simply the example at the forefront of my mind.

But as a European, the US's military footing doesn't feel alien to us at all. They're essentially the modernization of the British Empire, in that their single greatest "weapon" is force projection, rather than the million-man-armies of the East. We don't necessarily identify with it anymore, but it still feels more familiar than alien.

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