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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by war1025 »

viklove wrote: post #199
afiori wrote: post #93

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The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Even assuming all office workers work remote basic social structure will be endangered. The hospitals need to stay open, people need to keep operating water and electricity utilities, food distribution needs to continue as many do not have 14 days of stock at home. It is not about those dams politician that only care about reelection numb…

> The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Yup, gotta protect that shareholder value! sigh

Or, you know, the supply lines of food, medicine, etc. that make modern life possible.

What's the phrase? Something like a country is never more than a week without food from revolution?

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Post by victor106 »

mantap wrote: post #315
esistgut wrote: post #281

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Please note that Lombardy has a very very good health service. The OECD put a score on this [1]: 9.9/10. This is in the top 5% across all regions. Other european regions seem to have lower average scores and their governments are not taking serious actions. [2] How the US is reacting from my perspective (italian confined near Rome) seems borderline madness. Something about this situation confuses me a lot. [1] https:…

Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

3B1B to the rescue

https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg

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Post by cocoggu »

asdfaoeu wrote: post #343
mantap wrote: post #315

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Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

The other thing is the incubation period is around 5 days. So really the numbers are at least 5 days behind.

In my opinion, this is really the main reason why this virus is spreading globally. In fact, the average incubation period seems to be 5 days, which is already a lot. But apparently, some subjects had an incubation period up to 24 days, if correct, this is huge and the main reason why it suddenly raised in Italy. Imagine only one relatively social person in Italy, in 24 days he/she can probably meet at least 50 person directly and much much more if he/she goes to some public activities. Like SARS, it just need a few super-spreaders who aren't even aware of being sick, to start an epidemic.

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Post by pacala »

tomrod wrote: post #344
esistgut wrote: post #281

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Please note that Lombardy has a very very good health service. The OECD put a score on this [1]: 9.9/10. This is in the top 5% across all regions. Other european regions seem to have lower average scores and their governments are not taking serious actions. [2] How the US is reacting from my perspective (italian confined near Rome) seems borderline madness. Something about this situation confuses me a lot. [1] https:…

There is an answer, and it is political (thank you for allowing me the indulgence to bring this room-elephant up). There is a slow burn civil war between mission-focused bureaucrats and administration loyalists. Consider: https://twitter.com/Imm_Judges_NAIJ/status/12371515163955363...

I'm not even sure who are the "mission-focused bureaucrats" and who are the "administration loyalists" in that thread. But for the love of God, can we please stop politicizing this issue? Can we please have a moratorium on blaming the other side for whatever measures should / should not be taken?

Frankly, nobody knows what to do. Here we are, pondering what to do with the kids.

* The school district is open for business in spite of being the ground zero of USA outbreak. Because no kid has tested positive yet. Meanwhile, the testing scale is tiny [thousands, in a nation of 300M] and the latency is horrendous [5 days]. Most likely the virus is already endemic in the kid population.

* OK, so let's keep the kids at home, as SPS will eventually have to face the obvious and close the schools. For how long? A week? A month? Until summer? Until next year? Send them to school and pray for the best once everybody in the family eventually gets the disease?

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Post by LilBytes »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #333
Nursie wrote: post #179

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People in the UK have already been panic buying, mostly pasta and toilet roll AFAICT

Australia has had every supermarket totally cleared of toilet paper for 2 weeks now. Long life foods have had unstable availability as well. At least everyone will be stocked up while the supply chain is still fine and before any real issue comes up.

We've had police guarding TP in Brisbane for a few days.

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Post by hi5eyes »

koheripbal wrote: post #287
throwaway122378 wrote: post #286

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That account has TEN tweets spanning 2013 - 2020. Then this thread. Don’t believe everything you read even if it sounds like a believable novel

Doesn't that increase the credibility? Most working professionals don't tweet much at all. I think I have 5 tweets in the last 10 years.

but the outspoken ones are quite vocal

see infosec twit, fintwit (financial advisor twit)

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Post by Rapzid »

toyg wrote: post #176
cleandreams wrote: post #34

The fatality rate of Italy is scary high. I read the reason is that they have such a high percentage of elderly.

Somewhat ironically, this virus might be great news for the overall demographics: couples are now stuck at home with nothing to do, NYC-blackout-style; I fully expect an increase in births (and divorces) in the next 12 months.

A much younger and more productive workforce..

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Post by briandear »

fragsworth wrote: post #363
mantap wrote: post #315

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Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

We should be quarantining every city in the U.S. right now. You're 100% correct, and it's going to be just as bad here.

When? I keep hearing that, but where is the evidence?

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Post by Rapzid »

_y5hn wrote: post #96
Rapzid wrote: post #45

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I believe it's largely political posturing at this point in every country.

It's being modelled and shaping policies. It makes no sense to try to stop it, cease all activity. That's too late, difficult and costly. But it makes sense to delay and spread it over time. So measures need to be, imperfect.

I can see the sense in slowing the spread to help the medical system cope.
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