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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by allovernow »

gran_colombia wrote: post #324
xienze wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's behaving entirely consistently with how he always has: deny everything, project perfection. > There's no signal here of a secret weapon, it's a complete shit show. Can't really disagree, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with the way people in the US are talking about the response now. Was the US MSM not spending all of January and February telling us "calm down, you know the common flu kills WAY more peo…

You talk about the MSM as if it was a thing, and not a term of propaganda. It may explain the confusion.

You seriously don't think that modern news outlets don't have a consistent, left-leaning, anti-Trump agenda?

Perhaps you've been drinking too much of their coolaid.

"Mainstream media" was a term long before people on the right started complaining about it.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by AlexCoventry »

jpxw wrote: post #219
Angostura wrote: post #177

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China has seen massive decline in the number of new cases in Hubei. It’s no surprise the response is being praised.

Can they be believed?

WHO's recent fact-finding visit to China believed them, FWIW.

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Post by allovernow »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #274
jpxw wrote: post #219

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Can they be believed?

The CCP claims new cases are almost eliminated outside of Wuhan city limits; that'd be a hard thing to fake if it were really churning along at peak strength.

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by awslattery »

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #19
fosk wrote: post #9

Italy is a country of 60M+ people and the 8th largest economy in the world, with a very high national debt and that significantly relies on tourism for its economy. Above and beyond the Coronavirus, this can terribly affect the long-term solvency of the country.

Fully agreed, this is a big concern of mine as well. We've got a 2 week trip planned to Italy in May, but that is likely to get cancelled this week based on the growing concerns throughout the country. I am fully expecting to reschedule our same trip later in the year, but until the virus starts to slow down significantly, I'm not comfortable rebooking.

Mid-April. But booked well before it got crazy. Looks like I'll be SoL unless the US places full travel restrictions.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by kaiabwpdjqn »

sciinfo wrote: post #319
kaiabwpdjqn wrote: post #312

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What do the healthcare workers actually do while caring for these people? Is this something that actually requires significant medical knowledge? What does arrest mean? Is that cardiac arrest? Is that how people are dying? If they’re dying and people aren’t attending, should they even be there at all?

Most severe cases require trained medical staff. Since ~20% of infections requires hospitalization, no healthcare system is prepared for an exponential rise in SARS-CoV-2 infections. Most fatalities are from pneumonia. Lots of details are available all over. You may want to read up.

My point is that medical staff are trained to respond to many things. Training newbies to respond to one thing would probably be easy and fast. Especially if most people just need fluids, oxygen, and aspirin. Burning out doctors to maximize survival rates up front is... bad

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Post by samatman »

wrinklytidbits wrote: post #335
Melting_Harps wrote: post #111

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What is a long time? I lived and worked in the Central part in Emilia Romanga, an affluent albeit largely communist part of Italy, and I saw it amongst farming families, although most had since abandoned Catholicism. Many of the older children had left for Germany, Switzerland, Austria or Holland for work to send money back home. But, and this was just my personal experience since I was in the EU during the financial…

An aside: why PIIGS? Couldn't they go by GIPSI instead?

This question answers itself, wouldn't you say?

Edit: guess not, suppose I should spell it out: "Gypsy" is widely viewed as a slur, and thus is not appropriate as a cutesy spelling of a group of countries.

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Post by dwohnitmok »

kelnos wrote: post #336
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #318

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>What makes China feel alien to us is that this is their default stance. Isn't having a massive military Americas default stance as well?

Parent's comment had nothing to do with military, but with an authoritarian executive's power to unilaterally get things done quickly, if they so desire. The US was sometimes able to mobilize quickly in response to extraordinary circumstances (WWII production being an example), but that isn't really our default state, and requires consensus-building rather than orders from on high. But sadly our ability to do so even…

It's perhaps worth noting that even in the U.S., these wartime mobilizations have often been carried out by comparatively authoritarian governments (especially in comparison to peacetime U.S. government), e.g. the suspension of habeas corpus and mass arrests during the U.S. Civil War, German internment and the Espionage and Sedition Acts of World War 1, and mass Japanese internment camps and the Office of Censorship during World War 2.

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Post by newtoday »

missosoup wrote: post #182
H8crilA wrote: post #178

So this is awaiting all countries, in all likelihood? I mean what's the difference between Italy and Switzerland? Or Germany? Or the United States?

The united states is going to fare a lot worse. Their president is actively contradicting his own experts and essentially encouraging people to go on spreading the disease. It's going to be a clusterfuck.

I've only started seeing good measures being taken in the last 5 to 7 days as the confirmed cases are rising, but only at the state government level. Currently, I'm sure I can't just show up at the hospital and say I want tested.

In Michigan, they just launched michigan.gov/coronavirus last week, and have commercials on the radio to inform citizens.

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Post by ajross »

lend000 wrote: post #216

It seems like these actions taken by governments will ultimately be futile, so the question is: can a vaccine or effective antiviral be developed fast enough to be worth the ~2-4 months of "slow spread" that can be bought in exchange for the economic and social slowdowns a country will sustain by creating massive quarantines like this? While an authoritarian government may be better suited to positively addressing so…

> It seems like these actions taken by governments will ultimately be futile

Why do you say this is futile? Quarantines work. They're just very expensive.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #334
cycrutchfield wrote: post #270

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Most national flagship carriers will get bailed out, you can bet on that.

Is this something British people support? Or just something you see as inevitable?

Inevitable. At least in the US, the govt will certainly act to preserve the big 3.
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