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As you say, the sheer number of choices can be overwhelming. This is why we have our brokers, who are experts on the nuances of health plans, recommend a few plans for each employee - we do the shopping for most employees, and the power users can pick for themselves if they like. Employees can always chat with us in-app as well. If you work for a large employer, you have benefits professionals who spend all year thin…
It’s a great idea to help small employers! I know small employers that want to offer health insurance benefits to be able to compete with bigger employers, but don’t have the HR hours or budget to deal with COBRA and enrollment and non discrimination testing.
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My experience has been the rates are within 20% of each other. What does that $2.2k number compare to?
My employer subsidized is $650/month for a similar plan, but I don't have a view into what their share is. I'm sure the total is lower though. They have a lot more leverage. 10 years ago, I was paying $900/month for the same plan on my own.
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Having been a small business owner who has had to shop, I would have loved the "CostCo" quality model applied. I know that would be really difficult for a startup with the state of our healthcare, but to me it would mean getting in the largest insurance pool possible with above average customer friendly choices making it easy to say yes. That also implies a very few options to chose from, and maybe ideally one (that…
Are you describing HMOs? You have fewer available plans in exchange for cost savings with a large pool.
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#114Congrats! How do you handle discrimination in your case? I'll give you an example: 50% of your employees are young and healthy and they opt out of the health plan offered and go with Savvy. How do you handle the remaining 50%, assuming that some of them are older, have cancer, or have kids with disabilities, diabetics or whatever. Would ANY health plan accept to cover only the sick and old? This is based a concept ca…
Yes, of course. Would any health plan charge the same premiums to cover only the sick and old as it would to cover only the young and healthy? No, but how is that relevant?
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#115As others have mentioned, the high cost of individual (e.g. Marketplace) insurance is one obvious drawback that remains. Even with 1 non-owner employee you can get better rates through e.g. simplyinsured.com
However, the monthly recurring cost strikes me as high. The major emphasis seems to be on setting up and picking a plan; to be slightly cynical, is this just the SaaS-ifaction of what would otherwise be a one-time setup fee?
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#116Having recently been through this, I appreciate the push to support small business in what is a confusing and stressful area of administration. Inherent support for distributed teams is also a nice perk. As others have mentioned, the high cost of individual (e.g. Marketplace) insurance is one obvious drawback that remains. Even with 1 non-owner employee you can get better rates through e.g. simplyinsured.com However,…
Would you prefer to pay a fixed, upfront fee?
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#117Brave to do a startup when many are agitating to completely get rid of for profit health insurance in the US.
Especially when working in a very regulated field. Who knows if ICHRA will last, maybe the next administration will scrap it. Kinda like how under Obama they had the individual mandate but Trump ended it. However some states have added an individual mandate for state residents since the federal one was eliminated, like MA, NJ, VT, CA, RI and DC. But there's still going through the courts as this whole individual mandate thing might have been unconstitutional in the first place, so those states might end up dropping them at some point again.
Plus I know there's SaaS apps to handle payroll and some of them integrate health care options. Seems like people don't like messing with this sort of stuff, will buy an option they think is safe and easy to handle and move on to their actual product unless they hired HR people with experience in this area who can be dedicated to managing this stuff. Seems like when it comes to some of these tasks of running a startup, you need some adult supervision. Might be a good programmer but all the ins and outs this and related stuff can be a huge distraction.
I guess since they had a background in HR and stuff doing a startup like this would be a bit easier than say me trying to do this...
Then another big thing even if you have insurance, who knows if you end up actually using it for anything if something won't be covered and then you get a big surprised bill. I feel like the whole in-network and out of network thing is the biggest scams. Say you looked on Google for the best Doctor, Dentist, specialist, etc and found one you liked you got to check the book they send you to see who's covered. Then another thing is a hospital can be in network, but someone like the anesthesiologist is out of network. Then remember seeing someone got charged $10 for an individually wrapped cough drop, when you could of just bought an entire bag at the local pharmacy.
So seem's like picking a plan out of some options sounds better though.
Also wonder since the advice with employees if someone quits, they say disable all accounts. Wonder if companies still have like a separate account for HR since don't some companies offer a web portal for insurance, probably also COBRA would be in that portal. However some companies this is all pen and paper but digitizing things something to think about... Like someone I know that worked at a factory, all this stuff was a packet you'd fill out with pen and paper and turn it in to someone in the office area. But I'd imagine tech companies would want to digitize a lot of this, and for remote teams that makes even more sense.
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#118If we could see the return of individual HSA plans to the marketplace, this would be truly incredible!
For whom? Because HSA plans are almost always associated with bad health insurance options. If an HSA plan worked for you, chances are you are young and healthy and don't realize what would happen to you financially if you needed regular healthcare service under these plans.
The key is you don’t pay for healthcare expenses with the HSA, but instead pay with after-tax funds and save the receipts. Later (many years later), you can take out the HSA money and spend it in retirement tax-free (up to the cumulative amount of medical receipts you’ve paid and accumulated).
Used this way, it’s a retirement account (one with hands-down the best tax treatment), not a health care savings/spending account. To get it you have to have a HDHP and cover the expenses along the way.
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#119Brave to do a startup when many are agitating to completely get rid of for profit health insurance in the US.
I was thinking the same. Especially when working in a very regulated field. Who knows if ICHRA will last, maybe the next administration will scrap it. Kinda like how under Obama they had the individual mandate but Trump ended it. However some states have added an individual mandate for state residents since the federal one was eliminated, like MA, NJ, VT, CA, RI and DC. But there's still going through the courts as t…
To your point on employees quitting - one of the benefits of Savvy is that if you change jobs, your insurance can stay with you as it is no longer tied to your employer.
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I was thinking the same. Especially when working in a very regulated field. Who knows if ICHRA will last, maybe the next administration will scrap it. Kinda like how under Obama they had the individual mandate but Trump ended it. However some states have added an individual mandate for state residents since the federal one was eliminated, like MA, NJ, VT, CA, RI and DC. But there's still going through the courts as t…
Agreed healthcare is changing. I will say, however, that the ICHRA was one of the few healthcare related initiatives with pretty strong bipartisan support. The SBA (Small Business Administration) lobbied for it. To your point on employees quitting - one of the benefits of Savvy is that if you change jobs, your insurance can stay with you as it is no longer tied to your employer.
Sounds like other businesses are built around specific regulations too, like tax software so I guess it's probably common and adds value since not everyone reads or understands everything, and a ton of this sort of stuff is probably easy to screw up if you try and do it on your own without the right tools or people helping. So sounds like when things change they got to follow the news of new stuff, catch up and implement things.
However I'd think some of those software providers are used to changing things year to year. But also wouldn't surprise me if they have some sort of framework in place to make changes without rewriting code all the time. Sounds like a similar story with some of the big ERPs, seen a post on HN recently talking about how those can get messy too.
I guess similarly to if you build on top of Facebook or Apple though, things change when you don't own the platform but they seem to have much better APIs since (It seems a lot of gov stuff is still pen and paper), examples and documentation. Plus if you mess up your iPhone app, chances are they won't publish it and get delayed so less draconian.