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Re: Launch HN: Savvy (YC W20) – Give employees tax-free cash for health insurance

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That's true but it's also true that the plans need not cover maternity. There are tons of ACA plans that don't. And in "markets" with one player they can just name their price. None of this is your fault of course.

Are you sure about that? healthcare.gov seems to suggest otherwise [1] > Maternity care and childbirth — services provided before and after your child is born — are essential health benefits. This means all qualified health plans inside and outside the Marketplace must cover them. [1] https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-im-pregnant-or-plan-to-ge...

There are plans that are exempt from ACA's "requirements" because of course there are, and the current administration has used its rules-making powers to expand such exemptions. These are not limited to backwater states with evil administrations. At this very moment there are plans on California's ACA market that are exempt and do not cover maternity.

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Re: Launch HN: Savvy (YC W20) – Give employees tax-free cash for health insurance

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> For employees, we provide an in-app marketplace with access to every individual health plan, as well as vision and dental options. Employees can speak with licensed brokers every step of the way. I really want to like you for taking a stab at solving this problem because it's a serious one for startups and small businesses, but I can't as long as you keep this approach. Shopping for insurance (even through a broker…

What do you envision is the best way to do this? Our approach is to present employees with a few options upfront that, behind the scenes, have been recommended by a broker for them. They can speak with their broker if want help understanding and selecting one of the recommended plans, or look at the wider market if nothing suits them.

We try to streamline the experience as much as possible, and put in a lot of work building an interface that explains the plan details in-app.

And you always have the option to tell one of our brokers "None of these work for me, I want to make sure Dr. Smith is in my network, show me more options".

Re: Launch HN: Savvy (YC W20) – Give employees tax-free cash for health insurance

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure about that? healthcare.gov seems to suggest otherwise [1] > Maternity care and childbirth — services provided before and after your child is born — are essential health benefits. This means all qualified health plans inside and outside the Marketplace must cover them. [1] https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-im-pregnant-or-plan-to-ge...

There are plans that are exempt from ACA's "requirements" because of course there are, and the current administration has used its rules-making powers to expand such exemptions. These are not limited to backwater states with evil administrations. At this very moment there are plans on California's ACA market that are exempt and do not cover maternity.

It seems like all you have to say here is that there exist ACA-noncompliant plans. Yes, that was always the case. Why would you buy one of them? The major reason people end up in exempt plans is that they somehow miss enrollment (or have a payment snafu that gets them bounced from their compliant plan --- ask me how I know that). But this product appears to generate a new enrollment window; you can just buy ACA-compliant marketplace plans with it.

Re: Launch HN: Savvy (YC W20) – Give employees tax-free cash for health insurance

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> For employees, we provide an in-app marketplace with access to every individual health plan, as well as vision and dental options. Employees can speak with licensed brokers every step of the way. I really want to like you for taking a stab at solving this problem because it's a serious one for startups and small businesses, but I can't as long as you keep this approach. Shopping for insurance (even through a broker…

What do you envision is the best way to do this? Our approach is to present employees with a few options upfront that, behind the scenes, have been recommended by a broker for them. They can speak with their broker if want help understanding and selecting one of the recommended plans, or look at the wider market if nothing suits them. We try to streamline the experience as much as possible, and put in a lot of work b…

My guess is you would do it like most employers do, provide a small menu of options, have a default choice, and if you don't make a choice by a due date, enroll the employee in the default choice.

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So what is this providing over simply cutting a QSEHRA check to your employees? Seems like it’s complicating something that requires nearly zero paperwork already. Just cut a check and make sure it’s uniformly calculated across your workforce.

As an employee whose has been on the receiving end of this, I won't work anyplace that does it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Honest question as someone who's never worked at a place that does this -- what left you feeling negative about it?

Are the marketplace plans substantially worse than the employee plans, or are there extra caveats that come along with QSEHRA, or was it something else?

Re: Launch HN: Savvy (YC W20) – Give employees tax-free cash for health insurance

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We are really focused on providing this as an "on-ramp" for small employers. Providing large employers an "off-ramp" isn't a use case we have seen much interest in. However, there is an interesting historical precedent with retirement plans, which suggests that there can be systemic benefits that come when employees have more control. Pre 1978, employers offered pensions as a retirement benefit, and like health insur…

I see your point, but to highlight a critical point of comparison: that's emblematic of the risk to healthcare. Pensions were an actual benefit to employees, largely subsidized by employers and taking into account various employment factors e.g. length of employment, salary, etc. With the advent of 401k, that expense was shifted almost entirely to the employee save for a remaining "match" benefit that the employer st…

Pensions are fantastically unsustainable. 401(k)s are much more responsible -- it's your money, you don't have to depend on a new crop of people funding your pension.

Re: Launch HN: Savvy (YC W20) – Give employees tax-free cash for health insurance

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We are extremely interested in engaging in group bargaining for lower rates and are actively working with experts who have experience doing this. A recent federal ruling has opened the door to doing this across state lines, which could be very powerful.

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