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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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If overreaction is the problem, do you not think that letting the pandemic get worse, before we act, will trigger an even bigger overreaction?

I call it an overreaction precisely because I see no evidence of a really grave pandemic.

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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People in the UK have already been panic buying, mostly pasta and toilet roll AFAICT

> mostly pasta Sensible choice all things considered. I think instant noodles are also a pretty good bet, I personally make a noodle soup with vegetables to bring up the nutrition a bit. I would also add frozen vegetables to the list as it keeps for ages and balances out most meals, whilst still being quite good for you.

Rice and a good rice cooker. Plenty of big 4.54kg packs of California-grown Nishiki rice on the shelf in Sainsbury's last time I checked.

I like pasta too, but don't eat as much as I used to. Rice is so versatile!

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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The united states is going to fare a lot worse. Their president is actively contradicting his own experts and essentially encouraging people to go on spreading the disease. It's going to be a clusterfuck.

People in other countries put too much weight in what the president says, Trump or otherwise, because they don't fully understand that there is an entire system of government that can fully function with or without the president. I won't go so far as to say that the position of the president is a figurehead, but it's been more than a little advisory for several generations. I watch a lot of BBC, NHK, and DW, and see…

True, but the president also appoints a lot of officials as well.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Italy is a country of 60M+ people and the 8th largest economy in the world, with a very high national debt and that significantly relies on tourism for its economy. Above and beyond the Coronavirus, this can terribly affect the long-term solvency of the country.

It seems a little silly to talk about how some particular instance of desperate measures will effect some particular polity, without considering the context of that these measures and the devastation that's tied to them will be present absolutely everywhere within 1-2 months.

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The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Even assuming all office workers work remote basic social structure will be endangered. The hospitals need to stay open, people need to keep operating water and electricity utilities, food distribution needs to continue as many do not have 14 days of stock at home. It is not about those dams politician that only care about reelection numb…

> The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Yup, gotta protect that shareholder value! sigh

People still need to pay rent and bills, even the people flipping burgers.

Truly halting the economy is a catastrophe of it own.

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You can read this report from a doctor there (translated in English on reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/ff8hns/testimony_... (the original links in Italian are at the bottom of the post if you prefer that)

And long comments full of vivid imagery lile this are EXACTLY why people are dissuaded from making social media posts, exemplified by the poster: "Sorry, but to me, as a doctor, it's not reassuring that the most serious are mainly elderly people with other pathologies." This could not be less helpful or more harmful. There is no useful information (that i got to, couldnt get all the way through). This is not an lette…

Did you read his post? He has recommendations: social distancing, especially for older people. Don't get into crowds. And really: stop complaining that you can't do this or that fun thing, this shit is getting real, and it's coming to a town near you. That last message is really important when lots of people don't seem to take this seriously.

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What surprises me is the number of deaths in relation to the number of infections. Even higher than Iran where I would expect less effective patient management than in northern Italy. What is your opinion on this?

30% of the population is over 60.

Only 17% of the Chinese`population is over 60.

We should expect to see a devastating impact on Italy with a much higher CFR.

https://www.populationpyramid.net/italy/2020/

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If overreaction is the problem, do you not think that letting the pandemic get worse, before we act, will trigger an even bigger overreaction?

I call it an overreaction precisely because I see no evidence of a really grave pandemic.

seems pretty grave to me:

"From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy:"

"Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed."

https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/123714408985596313...

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Just spoken to an Italian friend, apparently they got a few hours notice before this was enforced (much more kept under-wraps than the previous quarantine of Northern Italy). Expect other Western European Countries to follow this pattern as the number of cases increase [1]. I would specifically be looking at France, Spain and Germany as potential next candidates. If people here haven't already, I would recommend not…

People in the UK have already been panic buying, mostly pasta and toilet roll AFAICT

The toilet roll thing seems to be everywhere (Germany is full of "why toilet paper!" outrage as well), but do people really panic buy so much? Toilet paper is an item you buy once every few weeks or months, depending on household size, it's very high volume per unit of money so shops stock just enough to satisfy an even random distribution of individual buying times. Now if all of a sudden, triggered by news, a considerable number of the people who would otherwise be in the market for a fresh pack sometime in the next few weeks decide to stock up a bit earlier there will inevitably be a brief but highly visible local shortage everywhere. Stocking up a bit earlier is far from panic buying, but due to the low price per volume of this specific product the result (empty shelves) will easily give that impression. This might admittedly trigger some second order panic buying effects, but that's not the effect of a coming virus, is the effect of people setting empty shelves.

I believe that the world is mocking a phantom.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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You seem to forget that the ECB is there for the banks, not for the people or their countries.

You seem to forget that [ insert deeply ideological sloganeering / extremely arguable value judgment ].

I wish everyone was addressing trolling face on, like you. Thank you.
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