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Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by rconti »

anthonypasq wrote: post #79
rconti wrote: post #77

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Counterpoint: My friends/family/co-workers are not trolls. Twitter is optimized for fake identities, and for virally spreading the most sensationalistic content.

yes, this if why you can choose who to follow...

I've tried to "curate" my experience many times over the years and it's never proven worth it.

I'm settling on a conclusion that some folks care more about what those close to them "in life" share, and others are more interested in what "outsiders" share. Those outsiders may be renowned global experts in their field, or athletes, or vapid influencers, or anything in between.

Regardless, I haven't been able to make it work.

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by CoryAlexMartin »

jiveturkey wrote: post #50
CoryAlexMartin wrote: post #45

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I'm not familiar with the situation. Is it different from Elon Musk dividing his time between several companies (seemingly with success)?

or Steve Jobs? Yes, it is different. Dorsey is not Jobs nor Musk.

Certainly, very few people possess the brilliance of Jobs or Musk. But, I doubt Twitter and Square demand the same sort of brilliance from a leader as Tesla, Space X and Apple do/did. A quality that Musk and Jobs have that Dorsey might, is their work ethic, which is far more common than true brilliance, and probably more relevant to the challenge of being the CEO of multiple companies.

Although, maybe being in charge of multiple companies diluted the efforts of Jobs and Musk, but it was made up for by their brilliance and leadership skills. An hour of effort from Dorsey might be equal in gains to five minutes of effort by Musk. If that's the case, then maybe you're right.

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by dman »

RandallBrown wrote: post #88
dman wrote: post #42

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Any guesses of who they could pick? fwiw I think of all the networks Twitter seems to be the one that actually delivers tangible social utility.

That's interesting. I get real utility out of Facebook that affects the way I live my day to day life. Twitter is entertaining but if it stopped existing today, my life wouldn't really change at all.

I follow Indian and US news and politics on it - once you follow key journalists, politicians, intellectuals and critics - Twitter does a pretty job of surfacing the day to day concerns that show up in the country.

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by nindalf »

btown wrote: post #61
gdulli wrote: post #54

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On Facebook you're bound to your friends/family/co-workers/etc, on Reddit you're bound to the shallowest lowest common denominator content (front page) or else endless spam and self-promotion (sort by new.) Twitter is where you're meaningfully in control of who you follow and what you see. That means it's on you to curate that, and many won't want to do that. I was on Twitter for a while before I found the real niche…

For what it's worth, Reddit becomes equally curatable to Twitter once you unfollow the default subreddits and join niche ones. There are multiple lines of defense that lend themselves to curation: niche subreddits have moderators who can remove off-topic posts; users are further disincentivized from making off-topic posts as they would run the risk of losing karma; subreddits tend to fracture into X/XMemes/XMetaDiscu…

> For what it's worth, Reddit becomes equally curatable

Any place is. The person you're replying to is convinced that Twitter is "the best" but any network where you invest can be really good.

On facebook, I've gotten rid of people I don't like and now it's only people I admire + interesting articles. My reddit front page is great for me - programming subreddits interpolated with cute animal gifs. I use Instagram maybe twice a year but I'm sure if I invested into finding people I admired, it'd be worthwhile too. Ditto with HN - most comments are self assured pronouncements made with absolute confidence and minimal expertise. But once you start to recognise certain usernames, you're able to sift the wheat from the chaff easily.

Twitter isn't "the best". Nor are any of the others. Each has it's niche.

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by philjohn »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #90
Whatarethese wrote: post #73

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Thats weird because because both Twitter and Facebook were the things that got Trump elected in the first place...

What an incredibly low opinion you have of the average voter.

Propaganda and fake news work. Otherwise Fox News wouldn't be a thing.

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by ForHackernews »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #80
ForHackernews wrote: post #37

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It is genuinely frightening to me that influential people apparently believe this. Twitter is terrible. Even smart people sound like idiots on Twitter. The format deliberately rewards controversial hot takes and inaccurate garbage "breaking news". I can't think of another major internet property that's less in the public interest. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/04/twitt...

I've seen good ideas bubble up from the population, through the blue checks, and to the right people in places of power multiple times. One recent example is to temporarily allow doctors to practice medicine across state lines using tele-medicine in order to help combat covid19. Another idea bubbling up is giving people a "right to try" experimental medications, again regarding covid19. The regular populace has never…

Both of those ideas are the sort of bog standard think tank proposals that get trotted out any time somebody points out that one US party has no healthcare plan beyond a quixotic repeal campaign.

> The regular populace has never had this kind of access to political leadership in the history of the planet.

Am I to understand that your contention is twitter has been a positive development for politics in western democracies?

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by wpietri »

HeroOfAges wrote: post #57
gameswithgo wrote: post #30

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I not sure that is the only thing we need to do. For instance, Trump regularly threatens violence on twitter and doesn't get banned. So perhaps they have a conservative bias. Using your sort of puerile logic, anyway.

Do you mean President Trump has threatened a specific individual with violence? Can you give me an example? What part of my reply do you consider childish?

Here's a writeup of one notable incident where Trump's rhetoric collides with Twitter policy: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/477046-trump-tests-twi...

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by Consultant32452 »

ForHackernews wrote: post #97
Consultant32452 wrote: post #80

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I've seen good ideas bubble up from the population, through the blue checks, and to the right people in places of power multiple times. One recent example is to temporarily allow doctors to practice medicine across state lines using tele-medicine in order to help combat covid19. Another idea bubbling up is giving people a "right to try" experimental medications, again regarding covid19. The regular populace has never…

Both of those ideas are the sort of bog standard think tank proposals that get trotted out any time somebody points out that one US party has no healthcare plan beyond a quixotic repeal campaign. > The regular populace has never had this kind of access to political leadership in the history of the planet. Am I to understand that your contention is twitter has been a positive development for politics in western democr…

My contention is that twitter has not been only a negative development for politics in western democracies. I don't have a strong opinion about it being a net negative or positive, probably won't be confident about that for at least another decade or two to see how it all settles out.

Re: Twitter, Elliott Strike Truce That Leaves CEO Dorsey in Place

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Post by HeroOfAges »

wpietri wrote: post #98
HeroOfAges wrote: post #57

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Do you mean President Trump has threatened a specific individual with violence? Can you give me an example? What part of my reply do you consider childish?

Here's a writeup of one notable incident where Trump's rhetoric collides with Twitter policy: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/477046-trump-tests-twi...

I appreciate you taking the time to research and share that link, but the third paragraph in that article states, "But Twitter says the president’s tweets do not violate any of its rules...". And once more in the 8th, "But in this instance, Twitter has opted to leave Trump’s tweets alone, finding that they are allowed under its rules." This does not seem to be an example of President Trump violating Twitter policy.
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