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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by wpasc »

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #19
fosk wrote: post #9

Italy is a country of 60M+ people and the 8th largest economy in the world, with a very high national debt and that significantly relies on tourism for its economy. Above and beyond the Coronavirus, this can terribly affect the long-term solvency of the country.

Fully agreed, this is a big concern of mine as well. We've got a 2 week trip planned to Italy in May, but that is likely to get cancelled this week based on the growing concerns throughout the country. I am fully expecting to reschedule our same trip later in the year, but until the virus starts to slow down significantly, I'm not comfortable rebooking.

have a trip scheduled first 2 weeks in june, also unsure of what to do

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

fulvioterzapi wrote: post #41
deerIRL wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide a link to where "the left" has said the only virus is racism? I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.

> I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. > I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news. So you don't speak enough Italian to verify, but still you got a hunch. And since we're at it, let's accuse whoever says things I don't like of spreading fake news. What a constructive attitude! Besides not speaking Italian we…

When someone writes

> "The only virus there is, is racism", they told us.

That typically means that some specific person, one with power and influence, said the exact words (or something which can be translated to the exact words) "the only virus there is, is racism". If you just mean that some people are talking about racism caused by the coronavirus, that's a very misleading way to phrase it.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by 627467 »

I'm curious to how does these measures affect individuals ability to get help and solve their problems they may have given the nation wide shutdown. I understand that WHO questioning of China's decision to lockdown of many of it's regions is now seen as helpful in buying the world time to deal with covid19 spread (at the cost of individual freedom and access to help in those lockdown regions).

But, don't lockdown also create massive barriers of people, including of those who need access to life essential products/services?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by [deleted] »

dpcan wrote: post #10
vkou wrote: post #6

For anyone claiming that this is just a flu: I've never heard of an entire country being shut down because of the flu.

I've never heard of 14 people dying in a 120-bed nursing home of the seasonal flu in a 3 week time span either, but the Coronavirus is making that happen in Kirkland, WA right now. Actually, about 30 people have died, but since they don't have enough tests, they can't say that it was Coronavirus. My wife is an administrator at a Nursing facility that is much larger, and this many people DYING so quickly is terrifying…

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by nkkollaw »

deerIRL wrote: post #23
fulvioterzapi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Could you provide a link to where "the left" has said the only virus is racism? I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.

What he refers to, is that initially doctors said to stay away from people that went to China.

Some politicians used that to push identity politics and went to Chinese restaurants and took pictures hugging Chinese people.

I live in Poland so I have no idea, but my dad is back home and he's been telling me about it, that's what he said.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by cm2187 »

vkou wrote: post #6

For anyone claiming that this is just a flu: I've never heard of an entire country being shut down because of the flu.

A political overreaction does not make the severity of a disease.

I am mostly following the french news on this and the doctors interviewed (some of whom seem to have impecable credentials) are calling this an irrational panic. It is a serious disease, one of many viruses around, not a particular dangerous one either. But mostly not something that calls for these drastic measures.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by Someone1234 »

DrNuke wrote: post #50

Tocilizumab drug in Naples hospital seems promising: «The health of the patient suffering from covid 19, who arrived in critical condition, intubated and treated with the new drug therapy is recovering. Maybe we extubate him because his conditions have improved a lot ». They also say they got confirmation from Chinese colleagues who tested that earlier on 21 cases. The drug is now undergoing trial at Roche. https://w…

I'm incredibly ignorant, can someone explain why a drug used to treat arthritis might work against a Coronavirus? I just don't understand the connection/interaction, or why this was even tried originally?

Genuinely looking to learn.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

paganel wrote: post #44
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like it's less a matter of normalcy bias, and more that people reasonably distrust a Falun Gong newspaper written in a language they can't read.

For a while this Falun gong member [1] was one of the few persons who was publishing real news and videos of what was happening in Wuhan and in China as a whole. [1] https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd

How do you know that the news and videos she was publishing were real?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by deerIRL »

fulvioterzapi wrote: post #41
deerIRL wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide a link to where "the left" has said the only virus is racism? I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.

> I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. > I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news. So you don't speak enough Italian to verify, but still you got a hunch. And since we're at it, let's accuse whoever says things I don't like of spreading fake news. What a constructive attitude! Besides not speaking Italian we…

I asked for a source where the quote is said as I was not able to find one, yet you still haven't provided one.

Again, could you provide an article (Italian or English!) where "they" are telling you the only virus is racism?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by tiborsaas »

oarabbus_ wrote: post #39
fosk wrote: post #9

Italy is a country of 60M+ people and the 8th largest economy in the world, with a very high national debt and that significantly relies on tourism for its economy. Above and beyond the Coronavirus, this can terribly affect the long-term solvency of the country.

The ripple effect of potential Italian bank defaults will ripple throughout the EU and the USA as well.

The ripple effect is already in place. Flybe airline just defaulted, I've read a post on Linkedin that a small catering firm is suffering in Hungary due to cancelled events and other companies in the food chain will probably suffer a lot more especially if they operate with a razor thin margin.

After the human factor, the virus will hit the economy hard. It's probably only a matter of time till it triggers a serious recession. I'd really like to be wrong here.

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