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Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by kcolford »

rrauenza wrote: post #2

And your olive oil might not be olive oil. Our daughter is allergic to sunflower oil which is commonly used to adulterate the olive oil. Chips supposedly made with olive oil will sometimes give her a rash. For bottled olive oil we try to buy local California olive oil...,

I read somewhere that the distinction of Kalamata olive oil is reserved only for oil that comes from Kalamata, Greece. It's high end, but honestly the flavour is absolutely worth it. Furthermore, higher end products are usually less likely to be tampered with in a race to the bottom.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by kcolford »

pacomerh wrote: post #50
rrauenza wrote: post #2

And your olive oil might not be olive oil. Our daughter is allergic to sunflower oil which is commonly used to adulterate the olive oil. Chips supposedly made with olive oil will sometimes give her a rash. For bottled olive oil we try to buy local California olive oil...,

Right, doesn't it need to say "extra virgin olive oil" to actually be pure?. Otherwise it could be a blend

Extra virgin only means it has been subject to the least amount of filtering standard to the industry. This gives it the most flavour of the olive oils.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by msds »

radicalbyte wrote: post #39
yborg wrote: post #9

Another downside of globalization, it has become cheap and easy to move food items across the world, so Vietnamese sugar syrup can be sold here as "honey" and it becomes a race to the bottom - actual honey producers either go out of business or have to do the same thing. Then a free trade advocate will point to how much the consumer price of "honey" has declined to show how well it works. This should be straight up r…

Balsamico, Cider and Pine Nuts suffer from this problem. The Balsamico you see in the supermarket is red wine vinegar with added sugar and flavourings. The real stuff it fermented, it's closer to whisky than vinegar. Cider should be made from pulped apples, sadly it is all too common for it to be made from commercial apple syrups. These are ultra-processed mixes of sugar from various apples. The production process re…

>visit farm shops

And come up with a good estimate for their production capacity vs sales...

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by serf »

raducu wrote: post #33
jessaustin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're complaining about "low empathy" and you're in favor of branding humans? Yikes!

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>In fact, it s documented that groups of 2-3 men, throughout world tribes, routinely killed and still kill those excessively violent individuals -- that gut reaction is what has helped us survive as a species.

that's just a political swing away from turning majorly corrupt.

one major difference between modern society and tribalistic societies is the idea of checks and balances.

tl;dr : what happens when that group of 2-3 men disagrees with you in some superficial manner, and that disagreement prompts their 'gut reaction' for murder?

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by serf »

chaps wrote: post #65
gaius__baltar wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mean words on the internet are rather different from violence, one would think.

Er... they're suggesting that we brand sociopaths and basically ends it at that. I'll pass on a world where having a bad day could lead to enforced disfigurement.

I'm not agreeing with the pro-branding-person, but let's not make the mistake of conflating a bad day and diagnosable sociopathies.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by cyphar »

rrauenza wrote: post #2

And your olive oil might not be olive oil. Our daughter is allergic to sunflower oil which is commonly used to adulterate the olive oil. Chips supposedly made with olive oil will sometimes give her a rash. For bottled olive oil we try to buy local California olive oil...,

If you want a quick way to test if your olive oil is actually extra virgin olive oil, get a green laser. When it passes through sufficiently pure olive oil the laser will change colour and become red, and then become green again when it passes out of the oil.

Obviously make sure you practice responsible laser safety, even for a cheap low-wattage laser.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by serf »

raducu wrote: post #24

My father in law and my brother in law keep bees. My brother in law told me about a disgusting practice where firms imported honey from China, filtered it, then added local honey and then exported the honey as bio-honey. Sometimes I wonder if we could develop hardware tools to test for psychopathy or just low empathy and just hot-iron-brand these disgusting individuals.

How about we settle for some nice hardware tools to inspect the honey, rather than turning the whole world into a 'The Scarlet Letter'/'Snow Crash' horror story, carried on the whims of law-makers and enforcers carrying out whatever might be trendy?

But, on second thought, my forehead might look nice with "LOW IMPULSE CONTROL" branded over it..

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

Every time i'm reading something like this, i'm wondering where my f-ing Tricorder from Star Trek is. What would it take to get the equivalent of mass spectrometry into a miniaturized clip on module for a smartphone which you could point at anything for a few seconds, and get the results on your app just from the backscatter? I don't care about the means, just the results.

Oh, and not as something exotic but massproduced and cheap, so that everyone can afford it, use it casually on a daily basis and make a wide berth around all the fraud that is always out there even before putting it into the shopping cart.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by jbay808 »

msds wrote: post #73
radicalbyte wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Balsamico, Cider and Pine Nuts suffer from this problem. The Balsamico you see in the supermarket is red wine vinegar with added sugar and flavourings. The real stuff it fermented, it's closer to whisky than vinegar. Cider should be made from pulped apples, sadly it is all too common for it to be made from commercial apple syrups. These are ultra-processed mixes of sugar from various apples. The production process re…

>visit farm shops And come up with a good estimate for their production capacity vs sales...

You know, I'd rather live in a world where the supermarkets are well stocked with product that anyone can afford, but where it's still accurately labeled as "cider-like product" instead of cider, "honey-like syrup" instead of honey, and "frozen dairy dessert" instead of ice cream.

Because the genuine article isn't always cheap to make, but it shouldn't have to compete with imitation products that are disguising themselves as it with no way for consumers to know the difference.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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Post by chaps »

serf wrote: post #75
chaps wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Er... they're suggesting that we brand sociopaths and basically ends it at that. I'll pass on a world where having a bad day could lead to enforced disfigurement.

I'm not agreeing with the pro-branding-person, but let's not make the mistake of conflating a bad day and diagnosable sociopathies.

Fair, but this sort of scenario wouldn't exactly exist in isolation right? Would a society that is willing to physically brand people with a permanent "STAY AWAY" marker be super tight in their regulation of diagnosis? lol. This conversation is insane.
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