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Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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If you don't connect it to the internet, all TVs are dumb.

At least until TV manufacturers start having them try and connect to open wifi points or try and piggy back off of a connection thru HDMI ARC.

Or embed a $2 3g dongle.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#62

When I moved my Philips Hue bridge got damaged. Turns out there is no way (and I tried) to get your lightbulbs to reset and attach to a new bridge. Not very happy with Philips Hue, wish there was a better option out there.

once the bulb's paired to a hub it's no longer in easy-bind mode.

you can do a re-pair by typing the bulb's serial number into the app and it will force the bulb to forget it's hub.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#63

So, Philips Hue users need a new $60 bridge after 8 years? That actually seems reasonable to me. 8 years is longer support than most other devices.

Better than I would have expected... and it still works locally. This means you can probably still connect it up to another automation system of some sort. Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't care, because I don't use the cloud features anyways... I mean most cloud-connected devices don't even have an option for local management, and just become a brick when the cloud service goes down.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#64

So, Philips Hue users need a new $60 bridge after 8 years? That actually seems reasonable to me. 8 years is longer support than most other devices.

Yea; and your bulbs (the expensive part) will continue working indefinitely into the future. Seems reasonable to me.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#65

When I moved my Philips Hue bridge got damaged. Turns out there is no way (and I tried) to get your lightbulbs to reset and attach to a new bridge. Not very happy with Philips Hue, wish there was a better option out there.

My original bridge recently bricked (hours of wireshark logs led me to believe it boot loops every 17 seconds) and I was able to associate my bulbs with a new bridge easily.

Steps are as follows:

Turn the bulb on for three seconds and then off for three seconds, repeat a few times, then turn it on and it should blink. Turn it off, start the pairing/search process and then turn the bulb back on.

It helps to use a lamp/light switch if you have them somewhere that requires plugging/unplugging to turn off.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#66
my problem with being too critical of this is that hue is very open, very well documented and nothing else is.

declaring that you'll never buy another philips product ever again because they shut off hosted services support for a relatively flawed v1 device -- when a v2 device is available for £25 -- is pretty petulant imo. it will still work on your lan.

i've got 15 hue bulbs and a hue bridge but i don't use any of their cloud services. i control them via zigbee light switches on a raspi running homeassistant paired to the hue hub without any "hue cloud account" or any reliance on internet access or anything of the sort.

i don't know of another mainstream brand who will even begin to allow that without significant vendor lock-in.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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Or maybe they factored in 8 years worth of service?

They market their bulbs as having a 15 year life span.

Bulbs (the expensive part) will still function, just gotta upgrade the $25 bridge.

And even without upgrading the bridge, bulbs will still work just fine with the older one, as long as you are trying to access them on your LAN instead of while you are outside of home. What Philips did here sounds very reasonable to me imo.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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post #66

my problem with being too critical of this is that hue is very open, very well documented and nothing else is. declaring that you'll never buy another philips product ever again because they shut off hosted services support for a relatively flawed v1 device -- when a v2 device is available for £25 -- is pretty petulant imo. it will still work on your lan. i've got 15 hue bulbs and a hue bridge but i don't use any of…

Lifx has an entirely open and very well documented local UDP API, and a pretty open and well documented REST API.

On top of that, no need for a bridge or base station. They can operate entirely locally with no need for a mother ship if you don't need to control them away from home.

I make pretty heavy use of the UDP API from my local server and help maintain a Go library.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

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This is abominable, there's literally no reason other than "It costs money to maintain this, and we'd rather make money selling new stuff than support what we already made". I have a v2 bridge, but back when I bought it about 3 1/2 years back, I payed a lot of money for it. It's not an expensive product to manufacture, so I expected that money to go towards supporting it long term. So much for that.

You paid a lot of money for the bridge? It comes with the starter packs? I know a few people with these systems that have v2 bridges piled up at home as it was cheaper to get the starter kits and a bonus bridge than it was to buy the bulbs individually.

I personally piled some v2 bridges in the trash for this same reason. It feels vaguely like shucking external hard drives. The garbage piles up higher.

Re: Philips Hue Bridge v1 online services will be shut off after April 2020

#70

The world could seriously use some legislation for hardware devices tied to online (dis)services. Maybe if you can't guarantee that your service stays alive for the lifespan of your hardware product, your product shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Or you’d find manufacturers finding ways to reduce the lifespan of the hardware product...
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