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Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

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post #238

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I recently had to search for something similar to this: march 12 2019 + 366 days and DuckDuckGo gave me exactly what I wanted while Google gave me not-very-useful results.

The date command can also answer this question: $ date -d 'march 12 2019 + 366 days' Thu Mar 12 00:00:00 PDT 2020

For GNU date, yes. BSD not so much (default on MacOS).

    MacOS$ date -d 'now + 30 days'
    usage: date [-jnRu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ...
  [-f fmt date | [[[mm]dd]HH]MM[[cc]yy][.ss]] [+format]GNU$ date -d 'now +30 days'

    GNU$ date -u -d 'now +30 days'
    Sun Apr  5 18:55:12 UTC 2020
(In BSD date, the '-d' argument "Set the kernel's value for daylight saving time.")

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#302

A few years ago I switched my desktops to use DDG while leaving my phone using Google. At first I had to !g all the time. Now that’s rare. Now I’m starting to have the other problem. If I search for a company, product, person, etc., on DDG it’s the first hit. But on google I just get a wall of ads and videos, and it’s hard to tell where the actual homepage is for the thing I’m looking for. So as of now I would say, g…

I've switched to ddg for a while, and the one area where I find it really lacking in comparison to Google is that it is very poor in surfacing relevant hits from threads on forums or stackoverflow. Which is frustrating, as I'm almost more interested in results from there when looking up technical stuff than some spammy blog. It's gotten to the point where I almost always automatically bang out to Google for those types of searches.

But it is amazing how much poorer Google results feel to me these days compared to from a few years ago. For most regular searches ddg does quite well and when I have occasionally banged out to Google for the same search, more often than not I've ended up preferring the ddg search results.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#303
post #297
post #238

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The date command can also answer this question: $ date -d 'march 12 2019 + 366 days' Thu Mar 12 00:00:00 PDT 2020

I starting thinking about the Python equivalent of this and it was disgusting.

This?

  $ python -c 'import datetime; print(datetime.date(2019, 3, 12) + datetime.timedelta(days=366))'
  2020-03-12

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#304
post #297

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I starting thinking about the Python equivalent of this and it was disgusting.

This? $ python -c 'import datetime; print(datetime.date(2019, 3, 12) + datetime.timedelta(days=366))' 2020-03-12

Yes.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#306
The main thing I still use g! for is "wolfram lite".

I just tried "3 watts * 4 hours" on Google, it gave me the answer in joules (which, I think situationally watt-hours would be the better unit, but...) and DDG gave me a top hit of a site that could do the conversion for me.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#307
post #198

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It's tuned towards discovery, so if you search a topic you'll get results for smaller, new repos that do something around that topic. We deliberately hard downranked common repos but it's also 2 months out of date now since that was to test the waters and we didnt set up recrawling at the time. That said we shared your concerns and have changed things up with how we are approaching it for the beta

> We deliberately hard downranked common repos Wasn't google criticized here on HN for downranking specific results? If I'm looking for something, probably I'm looking for the most common, I think

So we didn't pick specific repos, but we crafted a function based on some metrics we we're using from Github that had a sharp drop off after a certain point and basically -any- super common or well known repo would be down ranked based on those metrics.

I can appreciate your thought on that but we're not necessarily geared towards the most common per se (though this might be me misunderstanding what you mean) as we have experienced multiple times the most common result being wrong or outdated and the way things are now it takes a long time for those to slide out of the rankings.

We've been asking around for a while now to flesh out what our actual thought is and the description for the problem we're solving right now is "information staleness", you search for something and it leads you to a reddit post but that's outdated by 5 years and then you wind up actually having to do a deep dive and it turns out there was actually a more accurate post from a year ago but it just hasn't crept up to the top yet because everything references the 5 year old post.

With our alpha we actually think we went too much in the other direction we focused on it all being super super new but the reality is there is nuance between different topics for what timeframe information decays in, if that makes sense, and now we're for the beta trying to strike a better balance.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#308
DDG crossed this threshold for me years ago, and I've been using it consistently since 2013. (With fairly frequent statements to that effect on HN.)

For much of that time the principle justifications were 1) It Is Not Google, 2) results are roughly comparable, and 3) an improved privacy impact.

Over the past year or two, the rationale's shifted: results and most especially experience are markedly better.

Google's polluting the SERP with advertising, bringing to mind the environment into which Google first emerged in the late 1990s, with what many at the time considered a mature search-engine environment, is most especially notable.

My use of console browsers and commandline queries (not a typical use case, though extraordinarily convenient) is another huge factor.

Google is now utterly unusable in console-mode browsers.

By contrast, the default DDG site works, and works well, and the "lite" site is ... amazeballs: https://duckduckgo.com/lite

As a Bash/bourne shell function:

    ddg () 
    { 
        /usr/bin/w3m "https://duckduckgo.com/lite?q=$*&kd=-1"
    }
As of a few weeks ago, DDG added "region" and "time" selectors to the lite results page, matching the capabilities recently added to the default DDG site. The fact that "lite" not only works but is actively maintained speaks volumes.

The search box is one tab away (it's 12 in Google).

Search results are directly clickable. I don't know what new idiocy has infected Google, but when I view a Google results page in, say, w3m, I cannot click the links:

http://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&b...

(This is beyond the "the links are redirected for tracking", not the case on DDG with a URL parameter, but Google has broken its own search links.)

I can only assume Google are telling advanced users that they are no longer of interest to the firm.

In a graphical browser, results are crammed with ads and filler, annoying, hard to parse, and quite frequently just not very good.

There are occasional exceptions:

1. For date-ranged search, Google (and specifically desktop) is the only option.

2. Some older content isn't accessible on DDG. Generally this is pre-2005 / pre-2000 content.

3. Some obscure content only appears on Google, though to a vastly lesser extent than was true only a few years ago.

Also, again, DDG's bang searches are hugely useful, with at least a couple dozen in frequent use by me.

The broader picture, though, is that Web search seems generally less useful than it was 5-10 years ago.

That seems to be a mix of far more crap online, as well as black-hat SEO winning over Web search companies (death penalties really ought to be a thing), and far more "traditional" content (books, scientific articles, other published sources) now being accessible online.

I'll hit up Wikipedia, search for references, and follow those, or go to Worldcat and run a subject search, then read books, magazines, or articles directly (through Library Genesis or Sci-Hub), rather than waste my time on Web glurge.

Yes, there are still some good voices out there, but between crap content, crap Web UI/UX, and general web annoyances, it's become a net negative.

AdTech and Surveillance Capitalism destroy everything.

Re: DuckDuckGo is good enough for regular use

#309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, Getty Images sued them and Google had to remove the view images button, making the process of viewing the source image more difficult and convoluted. I've now resorted to using DDG anytime I need to do an image search, and have been using it more and more myself when searching for anything related to IT or programming.

Yandex Image search is also very good, with none of the annoying limitations that Google has introduced. There also seems to be less Pinterest spam as well. https://yandex.com/images/

Pinterest spam in DDG is a major annoyance, thou directly viewable images compensates somewhat.
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