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What are the mysterious light sources on light pollution maps?

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Re: What are the mysterious light sources on light pollution maps?

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As someone working in the greenhouse lighting industry, I might have some insight on this: 1. there is an existing technology called energy screen/curtain, with the primary function of retaining heat, but can also reduce light pollution by an order of magnitude. 2. light that escapes is essentially money lost, however it alone does not justify the use of energy screens. 3. as long as farmers have access to (relativel…

> 4. for the time being, it's a regulatory issue, just like water use (a single plant use 2-2.5 l/day) Is the 'plant' there a, say, tree or is it referring to the whole building?

that's per a single tomato plant, summer time. I guess it's the same for any greenhouse crop, see the reasoning here:

water use is necessary to manage internal climate. the greenhouse was designed to keep heat inside. the plants have to cool themselves (hence the environment) by evaporation. the farmer manages evaporation rate by watering, temperature and humidity. there are many feedback loops, both negative and positive, balancing it is a non-trivial task.

btw. there's an average of 1.2-1.3 plant/m2 in most tomato greenhouses I've seen.

Re: What are the mysterious light sources on light pollution maps?

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There are systems on the market that are not too complicated. We have an iGrow system for instance for our greenhouse. But yes, the covers do tend to snag and such when rolling up and that can be problematic and require maintenance. Definitely though the industry does not seem to have yet embraced automation much.

Greenhouses are early adopters of automation. But they only automate the stuff that actually works reliably. This means watering schedule, fertilizer and light. There are few things mechanical that can go wrong with them, especially the light part. They don't have a hord of maintenance people that have time to fix everything that goes wrong. They might have one person that is doing that beside other things. I live cl…

Yes, good to note my perspective is on greenhouses in the US, I think greenhouses in Europe are definitely more automated, especially in Amsterdam!

Re: What are the mysterious light sources on light pollution maps?

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> 4. for the time being, it's a regulatory issue, just like water use (a single plant use 2-2.5 l/day) Is the 'plant' there a, say, tree or is it referring to the whole building?

that's per a single tomato plant, summer time. I guess it's the same for any greenhouse crop, see the reasoning here: water use is necessary to manage internal climate. the greenhouse was designed to keep heat inside. the plants have to cool themselves (hence the environment) by evaporation. the farmer manages evaporation rate by watering, temperature and humidity. there are many feedback loops, both negative and pos…

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was shocked at how large a number it seemed, but I only factored in how much water the plant itself displaces in its structure, not the maintenance water to maintain humidity, temperature, etc.

Re: What are the mysterious light sources on light pollution maps?

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Exactly, this almost sounds like humblebragging (I know it's not, but still...) I mean, in the whole EU you literally couldn't find a place with Class 1 at all , unless going far-far North into Finland national parks or Norwegian mountains. Makes you hate civilization.

The UK has class 2 in the south west and wales, class 1 in Scotland.

UK isn't really EU anymore.

Re: What are the mysterious light sources on light pollution maps?

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Ah yeah, in the post's first "unknown light pollution" example, I figured it must be a greenhouse. I was driving through a relatively small town one time and was a bit freaked out by this ominous yellow glow off in the distance. Like, the whole sky was glowing [0]. I ended up driving out to try to find the source, and discovered it was a huge greenhouse/farm. Luckily not an extraterrestrial landing zone or so on ;) […

Iconic scene in "Saving Grace":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eMYxkEtxlM

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