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Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by Svoka »

codr7 wrote: post #66

I recently moved back to Sweden after living 4 years in Germany. I don't have any cards, and I don't carry a "smart"phone anymore; in Germany this didn't cause any trouble at all and I was far from alone. Much of the current Swedish society is currently closed to me, I know of three shops and one cafe in the (200k people) city center that accept cash. Some of it has been gradual but it changed dramatically during the…

Mysterious crap hitting the fan. You accepted authority when started using money. Barter is the way.

Only reason to keep cash IMO is for accessibility.

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by theshrike79 »

LatteLazy wrote: post #20
dehrmann wrote: post #17

Part of why cashless works is the same reason the Swedish welfare state generally works: a trust of government. Contrast this with Germany and its history with...lists; it's best not to have yourself be too traceable. I think the US is somewhere in-between, but at the end of the day, we'll hand over a lot for 2% cashback and avoid paying for journalism at all costs.

Of course, the German government that made lists did so without credit card records or electronic ids or anything like that...

It wasn't fully manual: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by ecmascript »

codr7 wrote: post #66

I recently moved back to Sweden after living 4 years in Germany. I don't have any cards, and I don't carry a "smart"phone anymore; in Germany this didn't cause any trouble at all and I was far from alone. Much of the current Swedish society is currently closed to me, I know of three shops and one cafe in the (200k people) city center that accept cash. Some of it has been gradual but it changed dramatically during the…

Not that long ago I was on a ferry and their credit card readers didn't work properly. There was long lines for everyone that didn't have cash and as one of the few that always carry cash, I just walked in front of everyone.

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by draugadrotten »

username90 wrote: post #52
onion2k wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, other than your privacy? Businesses that don't accept cash don't make any money when the infrastructure fails. If your revenue is dependent on your PoS device, Wi-Fi, ISP, payment provider, the payment provider's network infrastructure, banking network, and more that's a lot of risk. For most independent businesses having a working cash register and a bank account that enables cash deposits would be a better opt…

This doesn't appear to be an issue in Sweden though, most people don't even carry cash on them.

It is not unusual with hours or even days out outages on individual banks card services and the shared "swisch" mobile payments.

In times of unrest, "grey zone" conflict scenarios, cyberattacks....well you should have something to barter with.

For example, on Valentine's day a few million people couldn't pay electronically. That probably translated into a few million lost revenues for flower shops but I have no numbers. https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/swedbank-har-problem-swish-paverka...

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by rlv-dan »

codr7 wrote: post #66

I recently moved back to Sweden after living 4 years in Germany. I don't have any cards, and I don't carry a "smart"phone anymore; in Germany this didn't cause any trouble at all and I was far from alone. Much of the current Swedish society is currently closed to me, I know of three shops and one cafe in the (200k people) city center that accept cash. Some of it has been gradual but it changed dramatically during the…

I pay more often with cash today than some years ago, as a statement.

Interestingly, if you talk about cash in Sweden the comments you will get tend to be very hostile. It's like talking about meat in a vegan community.

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by codr7 »

Svoka wrote: post #71
codr7 wrote: post #66

I recently moved back to Sweden after living 4 years in Germany. I don't have any cards, and I don't carry a "smart"phone anymore; in Germany this didn't cause any trouble at all and I was far from alone. Much of the current Swedish society is currently closed to me, I know of three shops and one cafe in the (200k people) city center that accept cash. Some of it has been gradual but it changed dramatically during the…

Mysterious crap hitting the fan. You accepted authority when started using money. Barter is the way. Only reason to keep cash IMO is for accessibility.

Mysterious? You should read up on your history.

Some authority, not the absolute surveillance and control this path leads to.

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by codr7 »

rlv-dan wrote: post #75
codr7 wrote: post #66

I recently moved back to Sweden after living 4 years in Germany. I don't have any cards, and I don't carry a "smart"phone anymore; in Germany this didn't cause any trouble at all and I was far from alone. Much of the current Swedish society is currently closed to me, I know of three shops and one cafe in the (200k people) city center that accept cash. Some of it has been gradual but it changed dramatically during the…

I pay more often with cash today than some years ago, as a statement. Interestingly, if you talk about cash in Sweden the comments you will get tend to be very hostile. It's like talking about meat in a vegan community.

More people should, even if they don't go to the same extreme as me.

I've come to a point where I feel like it's my responsibility to do whatever I can, and getting a card or phone with Swish would make it too easy.

There's some serious programming going on, it's sort of a Swedish tradition to brainwash people into policing each other.

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by AdjectiveNoun »

codr7 wrote: post #66

I recently moved back to Sweden after living 4 years in Germany. I don't have any cards, and I don't carry a "smart"phone anymore; in Germany this didn't cause any trouble at all and I was far from alone. Much of the current Swedish society is currently closed to me, I know of three shops and one cafe in the (200k people) city center that accept cash. Some of it has been gradual but it changed dramatically during the…

The reason for this is that "deeply negative interest rates" are coming (to keep the ponzi scheme going) and they don't want people pulling money out of the banks and hoarding cash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9vP_RoCdM

https://blogs.imf.org/2019/02/05/cashing-in-how-to-make-nega...

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by anonymou2 »

reaperducer wrote: post #5
jamesblonde wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is out of date. In large parts of central Stockholm, you can't pay by cash. Legal tender is just words, if they don't take cash there's not much you can do.

So how do poor people function in a cashless society?

They are discriminated against even more for the convenience of the rich.

Re: Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018)

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Post by codr7 »

ecmascript wrote: post #73
codr7 wrote: post #66

I recently moved back to Sweden after living 4 years in Germany. I don't have any cards, and I don't carry a "smart"phone anymore; in Germany this didn't cause any trouble at all and I was far from alone. Much of the current Swedish society is currently closed to me, I know of three shops and one cafe in the (200k people) city center that accept cash. Some of it has been gradual but it changed dramatically during the…

Not that long ago I was on a ferry and their credit card readers didn't work properly. There was long lines for everyone that didn't have cash and as one of the few that always carry cash, I just walked in front of everyone.

Happens all the time, all of a sudden no one can buy food even though the food is still there and people are still willing to pay for it. Basing a society on such a shaky foundation is just stupid, period. The people in power who let this to happen should never be allowed to make an important decision again.
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