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Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

throwaway8451 wrote: post #69

DST is a very sensitive topic, so better use a throwaway ;) Here are examples what would happen if DST were abolished: If DST ('+1') is adopted permanently, the main effects will be during winter in that sunrise is now an hour later (bad) and sunset as well (which is ok). An example for Berlin, in December: if sunrise used to be at 8:00 (8 a.m.) normal time it is now an hour later at 9:00 (a.m.) (spend some time furt…

>An example for Berlin, in December: if sunrise used to be at 8:00 (8 a.m.)

I remember, school classes were starting at 8 and I exited home at 7. Venus was beautiful.

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by luxuryballs »

Now that we have so much digital we should experiment with a gradual shifting clock that spreads the time change out over the entire year. Clock that follows the tilt of the Earth. It sounds crazy and traditional clocks and watches and cars would all suffer but someone will come up with something like this, even if just conceptual, and it will be cool. Just wait!

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by ygggvg »

throwaway8451 wrote: post #69

DST is a very sensitive topic, so better use a throwaway ;) Here are examples what would happen if DST were abolished: If DST ('+1') is adopted permanently, the main effects will be during winter in that sunrise is now an hour later (bad) and sunset as well (which is ok). An example for Berlin, in December: if sunrise used to be at 8:00 (8 a.m.) normal time it is now an hour later at 9:00 (a.m.) (spend some time furt…

It really affects me every year. My grades went down after the switch.

As long as we are not just able to gradually transition I prefer to get rid of it and I'm quite happy that it's going to happen.

Nonetheless if sun goes down at 4 instead of 5 I wouldn't feel any issue with it. Winter is dark I leave in dark and go home at dark.

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by beobab »

throw0101a wrote: post #53
sturgill wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a big fan of everyone in the world just using UTC and calling it a day. A meeting at 0700 is exactly what you think it means. But I also never expect it to happen.

It's not as good idea as you may thing: * https://qntm.org/abolish Okay, it's "1700Z" and you're at work: are the folks at the Singapore office in yet? If New York's business hours are 14-22Z, what are Berlin's? Bangalore's? Tokyo's? Seattle's? At least with timezones you can do some simple +/- math and see if you end up in the typical '9-5L' range: * https://everytimezone.com But with only-UTC (as much I set my serv…

You still have to know exactly the same amount of information to know if someone is working or not, but you only have to know one piece of information per moment, because "what time is it now?" is the same for everyone.

If everyone has the same frame of reference, you don't get coordinate translation errors.

Going to work on Tuesday and coming home on Wednesday will be the new norm for about a third of the world.

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by throwaway8451 »

ygggvg wrote: post #73
throwaway8451 wrote: post #69

DST is a very sensitive topic, so better use a throwaway ;) Here are examples what would happen if DST were abolished: If DST ('+1') is adopted permanently, the main effects will be during winter in that sunrise is now an hour later (bad) and sunset as well (which is ok). An example for Berlin, in December: if sunrise used to be at 8:00 (8 a.m.) normal time it is now an hour later at 9:00 (a.m.) (spend some time furt…

It really affects me every year. My grades went down after the switch. As long as we are not just able to gradually transition I prefer to get rid of it and I'm quite happy that it's going to happen. Nonetheless if sun goes down at 4 instead of 5 I wouldn't feel any issue with it. Winter is dark I leave in dark and go home at dark.

What makes a gradual transition on your own impossible for you if I may ask?

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

throw0101a wrote: post #53
sturgill wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a big fan of everyone in the world just using UTC and calling it a day. A meeting at 0700 is exactly what you think it means. But I also never expect it to happen.

It's not as good idea as you may thing: * https://qntm.org/abolish Okay, it's "1700Z" and you're at work: are the folks at the Singapore office in yet? If New York's business hours are 14-22Z, what are Berlin's? Bangalore's? Tokyo's? Seattle's? At least with timezones you can do some simple +/- math and see if you end up in the typical '9-5L' range: * https://everytimezone.com But with only-UTC (as much I set my serv…

Local time can work only locally, only UTC can work globally.

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by nulbyte »

axaxs wrote: post #31
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #10

Georgia is putting DST on the ballot this November. Voters will have a choice to stay with DST, going to standard time year around, or asking Congress for permission to stay on DST year around. My guess is none of the options will receive a majority vote but year around DST will get the plurality. Since that requires Congressional approval and the ballot referendum is non-binding, nothing will change as a result. Hav…

They literally can't stay on DST. Florida already basically passed this, but it's held up in Congress as is tradition. Check out the Sunshine Protection Act. So, right now states can't stay on DST because federal law doesn't currently allow it. It does however allow permanent standard time, and petitioning for change of time zone. So, I wish Georgia, Florida, et al would just give Congress a big middle finger by swit…

> So, I wish Georgia, Florida, et al would just give Congress a big middle finger by switching to permanent Atlantic Standard Time. Maybe then they'd realize how silly this all is.

States can't unilaterally adopt a different time zone. The boundaries are regulated by the feds.

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by nulbyte »

ska wrote: post #22
mjevans wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote for no more adjustments, I don't care if that's UTC, nation wide 'Eastern', DST or not DST... just leave things the same all year. I've got a slight preference for everyone going UTC with no DST so that meetings and events are easier to schedule across the world. UTC would be great if it weren't for how everyone wants to think of E.G. 8AM or 9AM or whatever as a common start time and then uses DST to try and adj…

> UTC would be great if it weren't for how everyone wants to think of E.G. 8AM or 9AM or whatever as a common start time You mean people want to think about hours in a way that is useful to them where they live? Doesn't sound crazy. If everyone moved to UTC you wouldn't solve any real problems. Sure, everyone in New York could get used to their day starting at noon or whatever (to what benefit?) but if you wanted to…

> Any way you slice it, you're just pushing the problem around to different places.

There isn't a problem. There are many problems. Changes in strategy don't have to solve them all. It is entirely reasonable to prioritize which problem(s) get more attention when there are more than one. That's what this is about, prioritization, and an implicit recognition that one size does not fit all.

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by nulbyte »

rypskar wrote: post #65
phaedryx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be better for children to start school later in the day anyway.

Don't DST in practice make school start an hour later parts of the year? Where I live it don't get dark for 2-3 months during the summer and it was never easy to get up in the mornings. The same at the middle of winter there is no sunrise so not possible for schools to start after dawn. I think I did read some place that it was more connected to that our sleep pattern isn't accurate with 24h, so if we get up later we…

> Don't DST in practice make school start an hour later parts of the year?

It's about half and half, when you consider the school year starts in daylight saving time, switches to standard, and then switches back. I don't see how changing the time kids go to school twice in the year is beneficial. And I certainly don't see how sleep-deprived bus drivers in the spring are an acceptable risk.

Re: Effects of Daylight Saving Time on Traffic Accident Risk

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

ArlenBales wrote: post #19
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #10

Georgia is putting DST on the ballot this November. Voters will have a choice to stay with DST, going to standard time year around, or asking Congress for permission to stay on DST year around. My guess is none of the options will receive a majority vote but year around DST will get the plurality. Since that requires Congressional approval and the ballot referendum is non-binding, nothing will change as a result. Hav…

DST doesn't create more sunlight, but it absolutely creates more opportunities to get sunlight, allowing more time to enjoy outside activities after work. e.g. physical exercise. I commute to work everyday on my bicycle through a large city park, all year long, rain or shine, night or day. It's about 3.5 miles one way. I've been doing this for roughly 5 years. I personally look forward to DST just for warmer commute…

To get more time in the morning I wake up earlier.
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