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Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by lunias »

georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

Sounds and looks amazing a first glance, but the issue for me is simply that more virtual monitors does not translate into more physical resolution.

Currently the resolution of VR headsets is too low to make this into the "infinite monitor" solution that we all want.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

theptip wrote: post #158
georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

This is one of those concepts that is obviously going to be great when it's ready for prime-time, but just isn't there yet. In a generation or two when the headsets are lighter (can be worn for a day without leaving an impression on your face as the current headsets do) and higher resolution (can actually replace a multi-monitor setup in number of pixels), I strongly believe this is going to be a killer app that coul…

@theptip I understand your skepticism, but people significantly underrate the quality of text that can be achieved in VR, even on today's hardware. Simula in particular has put in a lot of work in text resolution optimization (something that earlier VR Desktops failed completely at). This makes me able to use Simula for hours at a time, even on the old HTC Vive (2016 hardware). I won't lie and say it is equally impressive as a 4K monitor is today, but it's definitely usable and allows you to garner the other benefits of VR Desktop (10x more screens, 10x the size, 10x the focus/work immersions).

RE headset size, I agree that today they are much too bulky. But they are still good enough to "live in the future" and get serious work done in.

If you have an HTC Vive/Vive Pro/Valve Index, I can help you install Simula/give it a try. Contact me at george.w.singer [at] gmail [dot] com if you're interested.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

Fnoord wrote: post #319
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original vive is pretty outdated now. You would struggle to even read text, let alone want to replace your monitor with it. Currently the best you can get is 4k per eye which is going to allow you to read text ok but the quality will be something closer to a 720p screen since those pixels are spread out over a huge area. Give it a couple years and there will probably be an 8k vr setup that might allow for decent…

> and no one else would be able to see your screen. I consider that a plus. I'm regularly flabbergasted by the things I'm able to see on screens in public transport.

In an office its probably not ideal when you need to show things to people.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

sneak wrote: post #245
theptip wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of those concepts that is obviously going to be great when it's ready for prime-time, but just isn't there yet. In a generation or two when the headsets are lighter (can be worn for a day without leaving an impression on your face as the current headsets do) and higher resolution (can actually replace a multi-monitor setup in number of pixels), I strongly believe this is going to be a killer app that coul…

> if you can touchtype fluently then VR works fine, but if not, it's going to be challenging to use. I am of the belief that if you are trying to increase your productivity whilst mobile with small/light stuff, nothing weighs less or takes up less space in your luggage than some touch typing training software. I can’t believe that there are people who type as much as some of us do who haven’t bothered to learn to typ…

@sneak The near-term dream goal/dream is installing something like Simula on a standalone VR headset, and pairing it with a bluetooth (perhaps even "pocket" bluetooth keyboard) to replace a laptop.

Touch typing + bluetooth keyboard + VR headset = insane productivity potential.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

Razengan wrote: post #184
georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

As others have said, current tech isn't quite there yet to replace screens in meatspace, but I think it's obvious to infer what general computing may be like 10-20 years down the road, if progress continues at a steady pace: Laptops and tablets would no longer be distinct factors for mobile, because they'll be replaced by always-worn high quality AR glasses, which run off a phone in your pocket (as Apple's glasses ar…

@Razengan

RE BCIs: Totally agree. We need to figure out a way to allow people to "think-type" 20,000 distinct inputs. This is how we can totally escape the keyboard.

RE VR: I understand your skepticism, but people significantly underrate the quality of text that can be achieved in VR, even on today's hardware. Simula in particular has put in a lot of work in text resolution optimization (something that earlier VR Desktops failed completely at). This makes me able to use Simula for hours at a time, even on the old HTC Vive (2016 hardware). I won't lie and say it is equally impressive as a 4K monitor is today, but it's definitely usable and allows you to garner the other benefits of VR Desktop (10x more screens, 10x the size, 10x the focus/work immersions).

If you have an HTC Vive/Vive Pro/Valve Index, I can help you install Simula/give it a try. Contact me at george.w.singer [at] gmail [dot] com if you're interested.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

GuB-42 wrote: post #318
georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

Working in current-gen VR for me would be absolutely terrible. - Low resolution. The best we have for consumers right now is the valve index, 1440x3200 resolution ~100 degree vertical FOV. A 24 inch display at a comfortable distance in such a headset would be at around 720x480 (480p), and a little blurry because of the projection. - Fixed focus lens. You basically can't read anything close on today's headsets. Lens a…

@GuB-42

RE resolution: I understand your skepticism, but people significantly underrate the quality of text that can be achieved in VR, even on today's hardware. Simula in particular has put in a lot of work in text resolution optimization (something that earlier VR Desktops failed completely at). This makes me able to use Simula for hours at a time, even on the old HTC Vive (2016 hardware). I won't lie and say it is equally impressive as a 4K monitor is today, but it's definitely usable and allows you to garner the other benefits of VR Desktop (10x more screens, 10x the size, 10x the focus/work immersions).

RE touch typing: agree that touch typing makes VR Desktop more productive; however, we have an escape hatch in Simula in the form of a live Keyboard & Mouse view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5c3Hfp8Hcw

RE HMD comfort: Agreed that headsets need to get significantly lighter before they are usable for 16hr/day; however, I would argue that even today headsets are good enough to get serious work done in (on the order of 1hr/day, and perhaps as much as a few hours per day).

If you have an HTC Vive/Vive Pro/Valve Index, I can help you install Simula/give it a try. Contact me at george.w.singer [at] gmail [dot] com if you're interested.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

lousken wrote: post #154
georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

I wouldn't do that, even on the vive pro, the text was way too blurry for my taste

@lousken

What VR Desktop did you use when you gave it a try?

I understand your skepticism, but people significantly underrate the quality of text that can be achieved in VR, even on today's hardware. Simula in particular has put in a lot of work in text resolution optimization (something that earlier VR Desktops failed completely at). This makes me able to use Simula for hours at a time, even on the old HTC Vive (2016 hardware). I won't lie and say it is equally impressive as a 4K monitor is today, but it's definitely usable and allows you to garner the other benefits of VR Desktop (10x more screens, 10x the size, 10x the focus/work immersions).

If you have an HTC Vive/Vive Pro/Valve Index, I can help you install Simula/give it a try. Contact me at george.w.singer [at] gmail [dot] com if you're interested.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #122
georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

You can travel with infinite monitors but the resolution of them all combined can only be around 1600p total

@shawabawa

I understand your skepticism RE resolution, but people significantly underrate the quality of text that can be achieved in VR, even on today's hardware. Simula in particular has put in a lot of work in text resolution optimization (something that earlier VR Desktops failed completely at). This makes me able to use Simula for hours at a time, even on the old HTC Vive (2016 hardware). I won't lie and say it is equally impressive as a 4K monitor is today, but it's definitely usable and allows you to garner the other benefits of VR Desktop (10x more screens, 10x the size, 10x the focus/work immersions).

If you have an HTC Vive/Vive Pro/Valve Index, I can help you install Simula/give it a try. Contact me at george.w.singer [at] gmail [dot] com if you're interested.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

ebg13 wrote: post #161
georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

Even a Valve Index which has much higher resolution than a Vive isn't viable for this unless you want to virtually sit very close to low resolution panels.

@ebg13

I understand your skepticism RE resolution, but people significantly underrate the quality of text that can be achieved in VR, even on today's hardware. Simula in particular has put in a lot of work in text resolution optimization (something that earlier VR Desktops failed completely at). This makes me able to use Simula for hours at a time, even on the old HTC Vive (2016 hardware). I won't lie and say it is equally impressive as a 4K monitor is today, but it's definitely usable and allows you to garner the other benefits of VR Desktop (10x more screens, 10x the size, 10x the focus/work immersions).

If you have an HTC Vive/Vive Pro/Valve Index, I can help you install Simula/give it a try. Contact me at george.w.singer [at] gmail [dot] com if you're interested.

Re: Travelling with 24” Monitors

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Post by georgewsinger »

robertfw wrote: post #121
georgewsinger wrote: post #109

Working in VR allows you to travel with an infinite number of monitors, of any size you prefer. For example here is what it's like to work in a Linux VR Desktop on the HTC Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLuwG91HnI The problem is that plug-in headsets like the Vive are not very portable. The next evolution of something like this is to put the Linux VR Desktop on a standalone headset. If anyone is interested in…

When I tried this a few years ago (shortly after getting my Vive), the text resolution and comfort just wasn't good enough for long periods of time. I'm curious if anyone has had more success with newer VR headsets

@robertfw

What VR Desktop did you use when you gave it a try?

With respect to today's VR climate: I think people significantly underrate the quality of text that can be achieved in VR, even on today's hardware. Simula in particular has put in a lot of work in text resolution optimization (something that earlier VR Desktops failed completely at). This makes me able to use Simula for hours at a time, even on the old HTC Vive (2016 hardware). I won't lie and say it is equally impressive as a 4K monitor is today, but it's definitely usable and allows you to garner the other benefits of VR Desktop (10x more screens, 10x the size, 10x the focus/work immersions).

If you have an HTC Vive/Vive Pro/Valve Index, I can help you install Simula/give it a try. Contact me at george.w.singer [at] gmail [dot] com if you're interested.

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