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No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Post by Areading314 »

wahern wrote: post #7
scarejunba wrote: post #4

I thought it would be mayhem but traffic overall didn't change at all. It's exactly the same.

That's because most cars were taken off Market St in 2015: https://www.sfmta.com/project-updates/turn-restrictions-mark... Since then most cars on Market St north of Van Ness seem to have been Uber and Lyft. Now they're finally banned. If buses are actually running faster--not just a consequence of less traffic during the winter months--it goes to show how much Uber and Lyft have contributed to traffic in the city. T…

It still doesn't make sense that they let the "yellow" taxis continue driving on market. They are on average much worse drivers

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

Tepix wrote: post #2

Just the fact that riding a bicycle got more attractive and 25% more people are using their bicycles now means that there will be less people left stuck in traffic in their cars. Not to mention the people who are exercising by using their bicycles will have health benefits as well.

Will 25% more cyclists have much of an impact on the number of cars on the road?

25% more of a small number is still a small number.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Post by abyssin »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #9
brnt wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Dutchie blunders like the one you mention are so stupifying... Takes you a ten minute visit to NL to figure out why you need to separate modalities consistently, yet even as close as Germany and France cities are designed so obviously by people who never ever bike.

Same in Austria, we simply grew accustomed to bikes sharing the road with cars, busses and trams which I'm sure would be terrifying to someone from NL. The problem is, after the post war boom, the cities were planned for cars and now there's simply no space left for cycling lanes unless we ban cars which as much as I wish for will never happen in my lifetime.

Why do you think it will never happen? It did happen and is happening in several places, like Brussels at the moment.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Post by Symbiote »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #9
brnt wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Dutchie blunders like the one you mention are so stupifying... Takes you a ten minute visit to NL to figure out why you need to separate modalities consistently, yet even as close as Germany and France cities are designed so obviously by people who never ever bike.

Same in Austria, we simply grew accustomed to bikes sharing the road with cars, busses and trams which I'm sure would be terrifying to someone from NL. The problem is, after the post war boom, the cities were planned for cars and now there's simply no space left for cycling lanes unless we ban cars which as much as I wish for will never happen in my lifetime.

Don't be too pessimistic. London has seen big improvements in the last few years [1]. It's still early -- many journeys won't join up, so they're less appealing for many people -- but I was surprised at the improvements last time I visited.

They've removed car lanes on some fairly major roads, and successfully ignored protests from taxi drivers etc.

[1] https://ecf.com/news-and-events/news/evolution-cycle-superhi...

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Post by abyssin »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #12
Tepix wrote: post #2

Just the fact that riding a bicycle got more attractive and 25% more people are using their bicycles now means that there will be less people left stuck in traffic in their cars. Not to mention the people who are exercising by using their bicycles will have health benefits as well.

Will 25% more cyclists have much of an impact on the number of cars on the road? 25% more of a small number is still a small number.

It will have an impact on congestion. For instance in Brussels, a 10% reduction in number of cars on the road translates to a 40% percent reduction in traffic jams.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Post by loa_in_ »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #12
Tepix wrote: post #2

Just the fact that riding a bicycle got more attractive and 25% more people are using their bicycles now means that there will be less people left stuck in traffic in their cars. Not to mention the people who are exercising by using their bicycles will have health benefits as well.

Will 25% more cyclists have much of an impact on the number of cars on the road? 25% more of a small number is still a small number.

As the number of cars drops below critical saturation, the flow can transition to intermittent to smooth

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Post by new_realist »

Areading314 wrote: post #11
wahern wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because most cars were taken off Market St in 2015: https://www.sfmta.com/project-updates/turn-restrictions-mark... Since then most cars on Market St north of Van Ness seem to have been Uber and Lyft. Now they're finally banned. If buses are actually running faster--not just a consequence of less traffic during the winter months--it goes to show how much Uber and Lyft have contributed to traffic in the city. T…

It still doesn't make sense that they let the "yellow" taxis continue driving on market. They are on average much worse drivers

There are fewer of them and they are more efficient, running at higher passenger utilization.
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