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Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by Fnoord »

steve_gh wrote: post #29
jiggawatts wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug. Lets call the adaptive people "Alice", like in cryptography, and use one of your examples at random: Air conditioning. A hundred years ago, if it was too hot Alice just shrugged and didn't do anything about it. She just accepted that "It Is What It Is." Around the turn of the century, one guy , named Willis H. Carrier, decided "enough is enough, I'm…

Hi, I'm Alicia from the Veneto (Venice if you like). I'd like to point out that we have been living in buildings that don't need air conditioning for 800 years, because our venacular architecture is designed to keep us warm in winter, yet cool in summer.

Do you have more info about this architecture? Could it be applied world-wide? Ie. think Japan needs architecture against earthquakes, The Netherlands needs to take floods into account, etc.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by toyg »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #5
soared wrote: post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

Is the hate due to relative success? I suppose the API fight probably contributes but I dont think that alone could cause that much

Oracle hates everyone, with very rare exceptions. The intensity simply varies depending on degree of success in the markets Oracle targets. They aggressively drop any Microsoft dependency in software they acquire, for example, ever since MS moved in the enterprise-database space.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by Fradow »

Fnoord wrote: post #41
steve_gh wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I'm Alicia from the Veneto (Venice if you like). I'd like to point out that we have been living in buildings that don't need air conditioning for 800 years, because our venacular architecture is designed to keep us warm in winter, yet cool in summer.

Do you have more info about this architecture? Could it be applied world-wide? Ie. think Japan needs architecture against earthquakes, The Netherlands needs to take floods into account, etc.

Not an expert on the subjet, but what I saw is this: old houses and churches (400+ years) with big stone walls tend to be rather cool in summer (my parents house ground floor always stay under 25°C when properly used, even with temperatures reaching 40°C outside) and have little temperature fluctuation overall (a piano, which is very sensitive to that and need yearly tuning in most places, can stay tuned for 10 years without intervention). I suspect the biggest factor is insulation due to having having a lot of mass that doesn't easily change temperature, but again I'm not an expert.

Incidentally, you cannot have it all: this architecture is not cheap, not fast, and isn't designed to withstand earthquakes or floods. But you'll never need air conditionning.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#44

Post by soared »

Apocryphon wrote: post #9
soared wrote: post #4

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and cou…

What alternatives did you use- Microsoft Office for those? Now I'm imaging if Oracle had invested in creating as many competitors for Google products as possible, Samsung-style, even in markets that don't make sense. Back in 2007, Sun had been working on an iPhone/iOS competitor named the jPhone. Imagine if Oracle had ended up continuing their work. Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. http:…

That is literally what they do. We used OraDocs which is a comically awful version of G sheets/docs or office 360.

Oracle has “beehive” a god awful outlook extension that ruins most functionality by taking core features from outlook and forcing them through oracle servers.

Rather than sales force for a CRM they have a god awful oracle sales cloud from decades ago with 10% of the functionality.

They moved all acquisitions software from AWS to oracles cloud... but oracles cloud couldn’t handle the load and a few had to be temporarily returned to aws.

The list goes on.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

#45

Post by Fnoord »

Fradow wrote: post #43
Fnoord wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have more info about this architecture? Could it be applied world-wide? Ie. think Japan needs architecture against earthquakes, The Netherlands needs to take floods into account, etc.

Not an expert on the subjet, but what I saw is this: old houses and churches (400+ years) with big stone walls tend to be rather cool in summer (my parents house ground floor always stay under 25°C when properly used, even with temperatures reaching 40°C outside) and have little temperature fluctuation overall (a piano, which is very sensitive to that and need yearly tuning in most places, can stay tuned for 10 years…

I don't know, the need to air conditioning is kinda relative anyway, and it creates a lot of Co2 as well, thereby contributing to the global warming problem.

A few years ago I've been in an old monastery, almost daily, in both summer and winter. The summer was good, albeit with a window open. Not as good as airco, but good.

However the gas costs in winter were insane, from what I heard it was in the hundreds of thousands of EUR.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

jiggawatts wrote: post #24
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, et…

That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug. Lets call the adaptive people "Alice", like in cryptography, and use one of your examples at random: Air conditioning. A hundred years ago, if it was too hot Alice just shrugged and didn't do anything about it. She just accepted that "It Is What It Is." Around the turn of the century, one guy , named Willis H. Carrier, decided "enough is enough, I'm…

> That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug.

There are other issues with the quote. Look at where and when George Bernard Shaw lived (1856 - 1950) in the United Kingdom. The elan of the era that Shaw grew up in Britain was all about "taming" nature and "civilizing" the benighted brown people. This was the era where people went to areas that had previously been jungles and tried to have manicured British lawns. This was also the era where Great Britain tried to impose the British way of life over civilizations that were thousands of years older than it. In many ways, our world is still recovering from the effects of the "unreasonable men" that George Bernard Shaw talks about.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by njarboe »

thedance wrote: post #20
Ididntdothis wrote: post #17

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I am not a fan but I wouldn't call Oracle "not winning". It has been a very profitable company for a very long time. I am not so sure if the current star companies will last that long.

I mean, sure, but looking at the last five years they are getting destroyed by clouds. Amazon, Google, and long-time nemesis Microsoft are all dramatically outperforming Oracle. Nobody wants Oracle's cloud products. The companies that are doing worse than Oracle are other dinosaurs like IBM and Dell. Even VMWare is beating them.

VMWare is majority owned by Dell.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by lrem »

adgasf wrote: post #39
C1sc0cat wrote: post #36

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Depends I have seen young supposedly "digital natives" use lesser tools like the google tools and create a complete Charlie Foxtrots Normally they have zero idea about professional project work the concept of a version controlled document is something they have never heard off And we are talking Major Brands and Major agencies here

Google Docs solves the 95% case of version-control simply by bringing everyone to the head of master at all times.

And further 3% by having a linear revision history. With some luck it will even render diffs correctly.

Disclaimer: I work at Google and hate docs. But acknowledge the thing works ok for its intended user.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by jshevek »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #15
an_outsider wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.

That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, et…

Concise aphorisms that encapsulate wisdom often trade comprehensive nuance for brevity. It is up to the reader to look beyond the literal words for the value in the aphorism. My favorite example is the golden rule, which invites you to consider other people's experiences and perspectives, to generously value their experience on par with how you value your own, and treat them accordingly. A literal and simplistic application of the golden rule, though, would often be a terrible idea as it ignores critical differences in our wants, values, life circumstances, and abilities.

Re: Oracle Reveals Funding of Dark Money Group Fighting Big Tech

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Post by Apocryphon »

soared wrote: post #44
Apocryphon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What alternatives did you use- Microsoft Office for those? Now I'm imaging if Oracle had invested in creating as many competitors for Google products as possible, Samsung-style, even in markets that don't make sense. Back in 2007, Sun had been working on an iPhone/iOS competitor named the jPhone. Imagine if Oracle had ended up continuing their work. Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. http:…

That is literally what they do. We used OraDocs which is a comically awful version of G sheets/docs or office 360. Oracle has “beehive” a god awful outlook extension that ruins most functionality by taking core features from outlook and forcing them through oracle servers. Rather than sales force for a CRM they have a god awful oracle sales cloud from decades ago with 10% of the functionality. They moved all acquisit…

Sounds like Hooli in HBO's Silicon Valley unintentionally skewered them.
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