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Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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The cat is out of the bag so to speak. On a personal level all we can do is hope we recover well and quick, if and when we are exposed. Every day you breath in millions of viruses. You don't die because you have an immune system that has earned you the privilege to survive on this planet. Short of a vaccine we're just waiting for the battle and the reward of a new skill in our immune systems armory.

That said, getting sick is terrible and it'd be great if we could nerf nature. I pray for everyone's health and recovery.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Please don't use "objectively" as a replacement for "in my opinion". The two are not the same.

You don't believe that Trump's manipulation of Ukraine, say, is a proven fact? He damn near admitted it himself. Or do you think a president subverting the will of the legislature of their country for personal gain isn't corruption? I wasn't expressing my opinion.

This isn't a political discussion forum.

You are expressing your political opinion about someone you dislike. You are not expressing fact. Just stop.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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I'm projecting the same level of likelihood (not certainty) as one of the experts in coronaviruses (not just general expert in epidemiology) Third of third of common colds are caused by coronaviruses and they they show clear seasonal pattern (SARS don't because it's mostly human-animal transmitted). You can't say for certain that it's the case for this virus but it's very likely.

Not only can I not find a source corroborating your statement by John Nicholls beyond this forwarded email of a transcript of a call that allegedly happened weeks ago, but what you stated ("This virus will burn itself out in May when temperatures rise.") is not even an alleged quote from him. It's a summary by the person who typed this up. The closest thing Nicholls (allegedly) said is this: In regards to temperature…

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> > The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. > You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war. See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Cause I don't think it's re…

>See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism".

Does stamping out racism to you involve preventing people from freely and equally participating in the political process? By which I mean being able to utilize the same means to advocate for their interests and political beliefs as any other law-abiding group would be - able to gather in public spaces without fear of physical retaliation, able to utilize the services of major companies that provide electronic resources like payment processing and social media communication and other internet services, and things of that nature.

>Would you say this if you believed there was an actual possibility that, one day the target of their racism would be you?

Yes, I would still say what I have said.

>Just imagine that you're living in your country, born there etc, but the brewing racist population happens to not include your particular ethnic group

Certainly I would not want to share a country with people that thought that way about me. You must be able to rely on your countrymen in times of serious crisis, and obviously I could not rely on those people. I would advocate for physically removing them if I believed that they posed an existential threat to people of my ethnicity and if I believed that such a removal would be feasible. If it was not feasible due to their numbers or influence or whatever I would get out of there for my own safety.

What I would not want under any circumstances is for them to remain in my country but be prevented from advocating for their perceived interests in the same way that everyone else is able, or in other words for them to see that the interests of others are being openly and plainly put ahead of their own perceived interests - if they are not themselves able to advocate for their perceived interests, why should they trust anyone else to further their interests for them, least of all people that are preventing them from advocating for those interests? That is a recipe for civil war, and that is the outcome I would most seek to avoid if I believed they were too powerful to be physically removed.

>but there is really no reason why they would not continue being racists

How many people are you talking about? Enough to influence the outcomes of a democratic government?

>Everywhere in the world and history where such a situation occurred, it happened with some amount of tension and suffering (ranging from economic inequality to holocaust).

What do you think that telling certain people that they can't advocate for their interests using the same means as everyone else is going to do to tensions?

>I think you're underestimating the amount of neonazis today. Not all of them are quite as on-the-nose with their logo as these guys, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#....

A neo-nazi is not a Nazi, and only the dress-up types actually call themselves neo-nazis.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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>integrated in the national community because they speak French, they eat our foods, think mostly like us, and follow our laws and traditions Jesus. Moving to a country isn't joining a cult. You shouldn't expect people to 'think like us' - I mean, what kind of fascist ant colony are you going for here? People's thoughts are their own. That's the the 'liberty' in the liberty-equality-fraternity thing, and you're kind…

The way people in a society think influences the character of that society, obviously. Do you disagree with that? If people in some society like the way their society is, more or less, why should they want to import a whole bunch of people that think very differently from them, who will make their society very different in a way that they are not interested in it becoming? How would that benefit them?

It's a really fundamental tradition of french society, going back to the revolution (or even before) that you can think how you like. If you dislike this foundational principle, then you cannot say you like French society 'how it is'. You are in effect saying you would like to change probably its most fundamental rule.

I don't know if you're using this argument to convince the 'normies', and actually you don't like brown people because they frighten you, or if you actually believe it. People often believe in self-contradictory things, but then again, people with unwarranted self-regard often think they can convince other people with obvious nonsense. Perhaps a bit of both?

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You can make this claim about any group, minority or not. Every single group of people has bad apples and some groups are even 51%+ bad but trying to use anecdotal evidence from twitter as proof is really not great. Additionally using epithets and dehumanization of any group no matter what they've done is a road to more hate and violence and will never resolve anything. I find it pretty ironic that some on the left a…

> that takes you right back to what they claim to be fighting. ... is also the kind of editorialising we don't need, when describing political views that don't align yours. Shall we stop, or what?

it's not different than using "allegedly" which is kinda the point... we can't know what someone thinks all we can do is guess based on actions.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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> There was an explosion at a virology lab Why are conspiracy theories so irresistible to so many people?

The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. This is especially true if we often find ourselves disbelieved or shown to be wrong on a regular basis, because it creates a justification for being marginalised. Ok those people might be clever, but I know things they don't so I'm still special. As a result people will consciously seek out unlikely connections or speculative…

This is not a special knowledge. Just Google it: Vector, Koltsevo, 16.09.2019. Moreover, even if outbreak will be traced back to Koltsevo (because it's only one bio-laboratory which had this virus), explosion will be used as excuse.

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If explosion can break all windows in the lab, then it can break some vials too. Koltsevo-Harbin route was used regularly by tourists.

It gets even weaker, Harbin is the opposite end of China from Wuhan and has the second lowest levels of the disease of all the regions in China, beaten only by Tibet. But if it was spread to tourists through the population in Koltsovo, how come there isn't a significant outbreak in Koltsovo? How many Chinese tourists were given the special tour of a blown up virology lab?

I don't know. I need list of passengers from Koltsevo to Wuhan to make conclusion. I cannot get it. IF this is incidental, I will suspect a student with asymptomatic infection.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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The way people in a society think influences the character of that society, obviously. Do you disagree with that? If people in some society like the way their society is, more or less, why should they want to import a whole bunch of people that think very differently from them, who will make their society very different in a way that they are not interested in it becoming? How would that benefit them?

It's a really fundamental tradition of french society, going back to the revolution (or even before) that you can think how you like. If you dislike this foundational principle, then you cannot say you like French society 'how it is'. You are in effect saying you would like to change probably its most fundamental rule. I don't know if you're using this argument to convince the 'normies', and actually you don't like b…

>It's a really fundamental tradition of french society, going back to the revolution (or even before) that you can think how you like.

That doesn't mean you have to want people who happen to think very differently to come in. You can like the fact that people in your country are free to think how they like, and also like the fact that most of them happen to like to think certain ways.

>people with unwarranted self-regard often think they can convince other people with obvious nonsense.

Projecting?

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Fear unfortunately tends to lead people to praise authoritarians because identifying with them a gives a greater (if illusory) sense of control over the situation.

See also: Trump's victory and Democratic claims of "150,000,000 killed by gun violence!"

Not sure what you are trying to claim about either event?
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